Question on compatibility and bioload

danelam · 03-17-2008, 05:17 PM

I was wondering if it's possible to add more fish to my 55 gallon or if it's at its limit.

I have currently:
2 ocellaris clowns
2 banggai cardinals
1 royal gramma
1 onespot foxface

Is that enough? If not, how would the compatibility be between the gramma and a pair of McCosker Flasher wrasses?

Thanks for the advice,

Dane

NYreefNoob · 03-17-2008, 07:44 PM

more than likely the gramma will beat them down. and the more fish question is a tricky one. what skimmer do you have ? how often do you do water changes and how large ? id catch the gramma and toss it

danelam · 03-17-2008, 07:48 PM

Skimmer is CPR backpak 2R. Water changes are fortnightly about 10%. That's a shame about the gramma, it hasn't been aggressive yet. But you think it will be to wrasses?

Killerdrgn · 03-17-2008, 07:59 PM

wrasses and gramma can be aggressive, but not every fish is the same, so some are highly agressive some are only mildly.

danelam · 03-17-2008, 08:46 PM

anyone else have experience with this?

prattreef · 03-17-2008, 09:16 PM

In general I think you would be fine with the Gramma, but there are other concerns:
1) have you kept any other wrasses before? Flasher wrasses are pretty delicate and not exactly beginner fish.
2) Is your tank well ( I mean well ) covered? If not they will jump, not might, will jump.
3) Do you feed meaty planktivore suitable foods (Mysis etc) 2-3 times a day?

danelam · 03-17-2008, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prattreef


	In general I think you would be fine with the Gramma, but there are other concerns: 1) have you kept any other wrasses before? Flasher wrasses are pretty delicate and not exactly beginner fish. 2) Is your tank well ( I mean well ) covered? If not they will jump, not might, will jump. 3) Do you feed meaty planktivore suitable foods (Mysis etc) 2-3 times a day?

1) Never kept a wrasse before, but have (and will) research a fair bit

2) It's covered, I don't know about well covered. There is a full canopy, but there are parts cut out of the back to house equipment and those holes are well bigger than fish size. I suppose I could screen it with mesh though.

3) I do feed Mysis/Brine Shrimp/Live Baby brine every day, but not 3 times. I tend to do one feeding of meaty food, and another two with various flakes (formula 1, formula 2, prime reef.) Every few days I also chop up some fresh shrimp or squid for the banggais, gramma and anemone. Foxface eats some too though I have a vegetable click with nori on it each day for it.

**"DevIouS"** · 03-18-2008, 04:14 AM

Royal Grammas are all bark, no bite.
They'll be fine.

In my opinion, McCosker wrasses are hardy & should be no problem (as long as you have an healty established tank....of course).
I don't feed that much.
Tank should be well covered though.

h20 freak · 03-23-2008, 05:51 PM

I had a 6-line wrasse and a royal gramma get along great but since then I have heard that was a stroke of luck.

**ellebelle** · 03-23-2008, 06:04 PM

my gramma leaves my fairy wrasses alone.

03-17-2008, 05:17 PM	#1
danelam Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Hell's Kitchen Posts: 490 Reefer Ratings: (10) Friends: (0)	Question on compatibility and bioload I was wondering if it's possible to add more fish to my 55 gallon or if it's at its limit. I have currently: 2 ocellaris clowns 2 banggai cardinals 1 royal gramma 1 onespot foxface Is that enough? If not, how would the compatibility be between the gramma and a pair of McCosker Flasher wrasses? Thanks for the advice, Dane

03-17-2008, 07:44 PM	#2
NYreefNoob Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: peekskill,ny Posts: 4,752 Reefer Ratings: (40) Friends: (24)	more than likely the gramma will beat them down. and the more fish question is a tricky one. what skimmer do you have ? how often do you do water changes and how large ? id catch the gramma and toss it __________________ my dad alway's told me the only stupid question's are the one's not asked

03-23-2008, 05:51 PM	#9
h20 freak Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: PA =( Posts: 520 Reefer Ratings: (0) Friends: (0)	I had a 6-line wrasse and a royal gramma get along great but since then I have heard that was a stroke of luck. __________________ tank specs 60 gal 4ft long,1 ft wide,2 ft tall 10 gal fuge 2135 gph total w.o return cpr sr3 skimmer Coralife aqualight 48"130 watts 70+pounds Lr(lost count after a while lol) Fish:Tomini surgeon fish, 2 occelaris clowns, 1 blue-side fairy wrasse, black combtooth blenny. Inverts: scarlet skunk cleaner shrimp,One pink pincushion urchin,snails,and One green brittle star corals: toadstool leather, finger leather, frags:shroom,xenia,and palys one step at a time.....

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ellebelle Lissa Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Upper East Side Posts: 2,135 Reefer Ratings: (16) Friends: (11)	my gramma leaves my fairy wrasses alone. __________________ My 75g Tank! 40br Upgrade(ran 12/07 - 9/08) 29g Tank Log (ran 11/06 - 12/07)

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03-17-2008, 07:48 PM	#3
danelam Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Hell's Kitchen Posts: 490 Reefer Ratings: (10) Friends: (0)	Skimmer is CPR backpak 2R. Water changes are fortnightly about 10%. That's a shame about the gramma, it hasn't been aggressive yet. But you think it will be to wrasses?

03-17-2008, 07:59 PM	#4
Killerdrgn Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Forest Hills Posts: 1,398 Reefer Ratings: (10) Friends: (5)	wrasses and gramma can be aggressive, but not every fish is the same, so some are highly agressive some are only mildly.

03-17-2008, 08:46 PM	#5
danelam Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Hell's Kitchen Posts: 490 Reefer Ratings: (10) Friends: (0)	anyone else have experience with this?

03-17-2008, 09:16 PM	#6
prattreef Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 2,919 Reefer Ratings: (17) Friends: (14)	In general I think you would be fine with the Gramma, but there are other concerns: 1) have you kept any other wrasses before? Flasher wrasses are pretty delicate and not exactly beginner fish. 2) Is your tank well ( I mean well ) covered? If not they will jump, not might, will jump. 3) Do you feed meaty planktivore suitable foods (Mysis etc) 2-3 times a day?

03-18-2008, 04:14 AM	#8
"DevIouS" - Untitled - Join Date: May 2005 Location: Da B - X Posts: 7,047 Reefer Ratings: (61) Friends: (17)	Royal Grammas are all bark, no bite. They'll be fine. In my opinion, McCosker wrasses are hardy & should be no problem (as long as you have an healty established tank....of course). I don't feed that much. Tank should be well covered though.