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jackson6745

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I think i'm going to post a poll on RC with a few different models. I am really confused
In the chart the dart looks awesome but I wonder how it would work with the pressure that eductors create? I need to order one of these pumps real soon!!! My tank comes on saturday
 

pecan2phat

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Rich,
I did the exact opposite :D

I didn't want any powerheads in my 120g so I went with a Oceans Motions 4-way on closed loop with a Reeflo Dart. I don't think the Dart will work well with your penductors. Don't forget that one of the differences is also maintenance between the magnetic drive pumps (Iwakis) and direct drive pumps (Sequence, Ampmaster). There is virtually no maintenace on the magnetic drive pumps and no chance of leaking whereas the direct drives have a seal between the shaft and impeller which will leak after 3-7 yrs and need replacement. On the plus side is the high flow with less amperage used due to the lower RPM motors. Also less heat and noise.

Also forget about the Amp2100, I use that as my return to 2 SeaSwirls and also tee'd off to a EV-120. Works perfect for my situation, definitely cannot handle any type of pressure though. The Dart would do better than the Amp2100.

One thing that I need to forewarn you about GC's acrylic overflow cover. His teeth spacing on the cover is 1/4" or less. When I started up my system, I had the flushing effect in the overflow. Mind you that my overflow is 14" x 8.5" (huge sucker!) with dual 1.5" durso standpipes. It took me half a day to figure out what was the cause. I diagnosed everything from the air hole size on the caps of the durso to the height of submersion of the drain pipe in the sump to the amount of gradient slope of the flex piping from the bulkheads to the acrylic sock holders. What finally clued me in was when for whatever reason, I took the overflow cover off to visualize the flushing and that's when it stopped. Apparently the overflow cover teeth spacing was restricting the amount of flow that was falling over.
I went by Pierce's house cause he has a router and had him route out the teeth spacing to 1/4" and this solved the flushing. Pierce also gave me plastic gutter guard to cut a strip and tie wrap the inside portion of the now larger teeth space opening to avoid snail and small fish loss.

You may be able to avert this problem by calling Tom and having him correct this problem before he trucks the tank to White Plains. Tell him that the guy who's tank he chipped told you so!

Also have him double check the access hole on the stand for the overflow drain bulkhead. Dummies didn't account for the schedule 80 bulkhead nuts. Cutout cleared the cut hole but not the bulkhead itself. This will save you fustration and cursing at Tom under your breath. Don't forget that his stand is a solid 1/2" plywood back so be prepared to do some cutouts.

Here's a progress pic:

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Here's a pic of your nana:

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[ February 26, 2005, 12:25 AM: Message edited by: pecan2phat ]
 

jackson6745

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WOW Warren the new tank looks great. Beautiful job! What lighting are you running? Glad to see the nana is doing well ;) thanks for the tips about the overflow. I'll get in touch with Tom on monday if it's not too late. I don't know if it would be a problem though since I went with dual 1" overflows (1500 gph)

Did you transfer your livestock from another tank? If so, any problems with the transfer?

Right now I have about 140lbs of rock "cooking" in a rubbermaid. I have eggcrate across my sanbed in my 65gal with all the corals place on top. It looks like a frag tank
My plan is to setup the 120 (fully plumbed and equiped) in my new apartment, add live rock and let it settle down for a couple of days. If the water test are good then I will transfer all my SPS from my 65 to the new tank. Do you think this is a good plan? Would you do anything different?


BTW I decided to go with a GRI 520. I spoke to a few guys who run these pumps and they all said that they are more quiet, run on less electricity, less heat, and the performance is the same if not better that the iwakis they used to run.
 

pecan2phat

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Hi Rich,
I know your exited, just 6 more days!

I'm running 10k SE XMs on Ice Caps in a PFO parallel reflector. I decided on these reflectors because they kept my brain from overheating when I was planning out the equipment. I couldn't figure out how to mount my VHOs other than reflectorless until I saw these that had the flourescent bulb mounts on the edge of the reflectors. It saved a few brain cells.
I went with the SE XMs due to my increasing electric bill (July & August hit $565!) and also because I saw first hand at JBNY's tank tour how they looked. Based on his numbers, the Ice Caps with the SE XMs still hit about 630 PAR which was good enough for me.

All the corals were transferred from a 55g. The LR was all bought about a week prior to the tank being finished. I went with Pierce to a guy's house in Bklyn (RC name Stix, Nick) and purchased his Marshall Island LR. It had a lot of stringy hair algae from neglect but it sat in Pierce's 150g for a week and by the time I got it, it was premo rock.
I had the rock in the tank only for about 3 days & tested the levels. Everything was NIL so I moved over all my LPS, zoos & a yellow leather. Tested again in 2 days and moved all the SPS & clams in. So basically all new water, cured LR and everything was good to go.
What you see in the pic is only 115 to 120 lbs of Marshall Island LR and I'm done with the LR.

Your plan sounds good, especially knowing the source of the LR that you are using and you know it's fully cured. I don't think you will have any issues with cycling.
The only thing I did was lower the photoperiod to 4 hrs on the MH due to them coming from CV 10k bulbs. (garbage bulbs) I waited about 8 days and have just added 2 more hours on. No shock or bleaching yet.

If I had to do it over with the tank, I would have went with 2 separate overflows. Reason why is because I would still run the same amount of flow (about 1500 to 1700 gph off my Amp2100) so one center overflow would be risky with one drain & Durso. The problem with my current setup is that when you use 2 drains/Dursos, you can't get them to siphon equally even with ball valves on the end of the bulkheads. As R. Durso said (which I should have listened), you'll never know which standpipe needs adjusting. With this being said, your probably asking me why it makes a difference if one of the two Dursos can handle all the flow. The reason is due to my utilization of micron socks/holder. Since I only had room for a 30g long for a sump, my socks are not that big to handle that type of flow. One sock on a continous drain will clog and overfill very quickly versus using two, thus the dual 1.5" drains/Dursos & acrylic sock holders. I would probably opt for smaller dual overflows in the back wall but away from the corners or it would defeat the starphire side panels.

The pump you picked sounds good but that bad boy is a thirsty sucker at 2.1 amps x 115v = 242 watts and pricey too.

If I went with magnetic pumps & HQI magnetic ballast, I cringe at what my LIPA bill would be!
But you'll even out with running streams instead of another pump for a closed loop so that's well thought out.
I've read that these pumps are better than Iwakis but then I've been running a small Iwaki on my 90g FOWLR for over 12 yrs with out any problems, never even took it offline to clean it.

Are you also getting their stand and canopy? If so, you'll need a panel van or at least 2 mid-sized SUVs. I went up with 2 Rodeos and I still had to tie the canopy on top of one SUV. Make sure they give you enough usable pieces of the 3/4" styrofoam for placement between the tank and stand.

Wish you were going to the frag swap, was looking forward to some of your nice corals! On a side note, do you know anyone that might have a true Oregon blue tort to frag?

Good luck on Sat with your tank and let me know if I can help in anyway.

Warren
 

jackson6745

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I'm not getting the stand and canopy from GC, I am buy it from Pierce :)If they deliver the tank early enough I still may make the swap.....not sure yet. The only person that I know with a true oregon is MSHUR (Mike). His is only a frag though.

Warren, how many VHO's are you supplementing the 10k's with? The color of the tank looks like 14k...very nice. I plan on running 2x250w DE AB's + 4xVHO actinics. I want the brightness of the 10k but hopefully the 4 VHO's will give that blue/white look like your tank.

Thanks for the help/advice
 

jackson6745

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I tore apart my 65gal tank last night
The rock is in a rubbermaid cooking with an MR-2 skimmer. I placed eggcrate across my sandbed and glued each frag to it's own piece of rock so I don't lose them, but I still managed to lose 1 frag....and a good one :( (A red polyp cap from Sollby) Hopefully it shows up

this is what the tank looks like now


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jackson6745

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I don't know how I lost it :( I'm really peed about it though!

The skimmer is easy to understand. The hose in the front is connected to the pump which drives the water into the beckett injector....that makes all the bubbles
the red gate valve is simply for adjusting the height of the foam. There is also a valve on the injector to fine tune the air flow.
 

ShaunW

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Originally posted by jackson6745:
I don't know how I lost it :( I'm really peed about it though!
Rich, don't worry about it bro. I have another one for you to replace the one you lost. It's in my best interest to get that cap in your tank, ;) :D , so that if I ever lose it I can get it back,
.

If you need any emergency temporary housing for any of your SPS during the transfer, just let me know.

I am really excited to see what you do with your new 120 gallon.
 

jackson6745

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Thanks Shaun :D . I'm going to look through my live rock bin. I think I may have took out the rock that I glued the cap to. Hopefully I find it...I'll keep you posted.
 

LiquidBlues

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hey jackson... is the GRI that much better for another 70 bucks?

if it is a lot more silent than the other pumps.. i'm interested too

cause the new tank is going to be in room i'm sleeping in... definitely silent is good..hate to hear the cookie monster mumbling when i go to sleep
 

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