GPH for Sump

ZBT3091 · 08-03-2008, 11:59 PM

How many gph do i need for my sump to my tank. It needs to push about 4' up. The sump is an overflow. Im thinking a mag 7. The return is going to have two heads

yourbedormine18 · 08-04-2008, 12:57 AM

What size tank is it? 75 ?

Are you going to have powerheads ?

If so what kind ?

Reef/FOWLR ?

If reef what kind of corals do you plan on housing?

ZBT3091 · 08-04-2008, 02:07 AM

I have one aqua clear 50. I might get a koralia or two. The return would have two heads coming out. I figured the two headed return and the aqua clear would be sufficient circulation. Its a 75, will be a reef, getting mushrooms, sps, and polyps.

h20 freak · 08-04-2008, 02:59 AM

I Have heard that magdrives are bad, and that either eheims or oceanrunners are the way to go.I wouldn't know though, I just use the biggest aquaclear I could find =P

DCG1286 · 08-05-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by h20 freak


	I Have heard that magdrives are bad, and that either eheims or oceanrunners are the way to go.I wouldn't know though, I just use the biggest aquaclear I could find =P

If you are going to do SPS...go for mag 9...seriously...they require lots of water movement...they really do...plus two koralia 4's and you should be set!

I like the mags...never had problems with them!

-David

fernandokng · 08-05-2008, 09:56 AM

I think he's looking for a return pump gph. Preferably you need to match the drain gph. If you get one that's too powerful, you can have a risk of overflow.

nyumpa · 08-05-2008, 11:57 AM

i am a fan of the mags had a #3 on the skimmer and #7 on the return, they do run hot get the #9 put a gate valve on to adjust the follow you can always increase it not enough if you get the #7 and find out the flow is not enough you are stuck.
again they run HOT

ZANYMASTER · 08-06-2008, 12:40 PM

The Eheim pumps are boss.I recommend them.A 1262 should do.

meschaefer · 08-06-2008, 01:29 PM

Tricky question.

There are a few theories on this. The one constant rule, is that your overflow needs to be able to handle the return pump. This puts an upper limit on your flow.

Some people attempt to obtain all of their in tank flow, or a substantial part of it, from their return pump, i.e. they use the biggest pump their overflow can handle. The positives to this are that it reduces, or negates entirely the need for in tank power heads. The negatives are two fold, one is that with increased flow through your sump you are increasing the likelihood of micro bubbles getting into the main display. The second is that it is inefficient to use a large pump for in tank flow, when a smaller pump with power heads will generally use less wattage than one large pump.

Other's will use the smallest pump they can get away with for their return pump, and use power heads to create in tank flow. Your return pump runs 24 hours a day, and using a smaller pump can help cut down on energy consumption significantly even when using power heads to make up for the difference. Slower flow through the sump also creates less of a chance of carrying micro bubbles to the display tank. Remember though if filtration and heating are taking place in the sump, the turnover needs to suffcient to allow these processes to fucntion. People that I know who use this school of thought generally aim for 3x sump volume turnover.

Most people generally fall between the two, for a host of reasons.

08-03-2008, 11:59 PM	#1
ZBT3091 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Syosset LI Posts: 378 Reefer Ratings: (4) Friends: (1)	GPH for Sump How many gph do i need for my sump to my tank. It needs to push about 4' up. The sump is an overflow. Im thinking a mag 7. The return is going to have two heads __________________ 75 reef on the way

08-04-2008, 12:57 AM	#2
yourbedormine18 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: oceanside, NY Posts: 1,089 Reefer Ratings: (17) Friends: (19)	Questions off the top of my head that will help get your answer What size tank is it? 75 ? Are you going to have powerheads ? If so what kind ? Reef/FOWLR ? If reef what kind of corals do you plan on housing?

08-04-2008, 02:59 AM	#4
h20 freak Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: PA =( Posts: 523 Reefer Ratings: (0) Friends: (0)	I Have heard that magdrives are bad, and that either eheims or oceanrunners are the way to go.I wouldn't know though, I just use the biggest aquaclear I could find =P __________________ tank specs 60 gal 4ft long,1 ft wide,2 ft tall 10 gal fuge 2135 gph total w.o return cpr sr3 skimmer Coralife aqualight 48"130 watts 70+pounds Lr(lost count after a while lol) Fish:Tomini surgeon fish, 2 occelaris clowns, 1 blue-side fairy wrasse, black combtooth blenny. Inverts: scarlet skunk cleaner shrimp,One pink pincushion urchin,snails,and One green brittle star corals: toadstool leather, finger leather, frags:shroom,xenia,and palys one step at a time.....

08-06-2008, 12:40 PM	#8
ZANYMASTER Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Astoria,NY Posts: 2,765 Reefer Ratings: (49) Friends: (9)	The Eheim pumps are boss.I recommend them.A 1262 should do. __________________ Concentrate all firepower on that superstar destroyer!

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08-05-2008, 09:56 AM	#6
fernandokng Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: queens Posts: 520 Reefer Ratings: (15) Friends: (2)	I think he's looking for a return pump gph. Preferably you need to match the drain gph. If you get one that's too powerful, you can have a risk of overflow.

08-05-2008, 11:57 AM	#7
nyumpa Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: roselle, nj Posts: 95 Reefer Ratings: (0) Friends: (0)	i am a fan of the mags had a #3 on the skimmer and #7 on the return, they do run hot get the #9 put a gate valve on to adjust the follow you can always increase it not enough if you get the #7 and find out the flow is not enough you are stuck. again they run HOT

08-06-2008, 01:29 PM	#9
meschaefer One to Ignore Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Astoria Posts: 2,510 Reefer Ratings: (14) Friends: (3)	Tricky question. There are a few theories on this. The one constant rule, is that your overflow needs to be able to handle the return pump. This puts an upper limit on your flow. Some people attempt to obtain all of their in tank flow, or a substantial part of it, from their return pump, i.e. they use the biggest pump their overflow can handle. The positives to this are that it reduces, or negates entirely the need for in tank power heads. The negatives are two fold, one is that with increased flow through your sump you are increasing the likelihood of micro bubbles getting into the main display. The second is that it is inefficient to use a large pump for in tank flow, when a smaller pump with power heads will generally use less wattage than one large pump. Other's will use the smallest pump they can get away with for their return pump, and use power heads to create in tank flow. Your return pump runs 24 hours a day, and using a smaller pump can help cut down on energy consumption significantly even when using power heads to make up for the difference. Slower flow through the sump also creates less of a chance of carrying micro bubbles to the display tank. Remember though if filtration and heating are taking place in the sump, the turnover needs to suffcient to allow these processes to fucntion. People that I know who use this school of thought generally aim for 3x sump volume turnover. Most people generally fall between the two, for a host of reasons. __________________ Matt When you pay too much, you lose a little money, that's all When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. John Ruskin (1819-1900)