Responsible Aquarium Keeping - Page 2

gimincorp · 07-07-2008, 04:15 AM

Fiasco in both: splitting Mushroom coral and growing Phyto.
1. After about a week from removing the coral off the peg, the covering bandage deterriorated and revealed that there was no mushroom underneath it. (It could have died or been blown away too).
2. Yesterday I checked my Phyto farming setup. The water didn't turn any greener since the initial setup. I have tossed it out this morning (7/7/08), re-filled the bottle with used aquarium water and will restart the experiment after I come back from work today.

gimincorp · 07-09-2008, 11:57 AM

Yesterday I tried to tear off the smaller Kenya Tree. With a pretty big effort (They do hold on to their rocks!) I was able to do so. I took a small stone from the tank and attached the fragged KT to it with a rubber band. We'll see if KT will attach itself to the rock in a week or so.

DontXtripNfall · 07-09-2008, 12:07 PM

IME I've had xenia attach in a day or 2 so it might attch sooner than you think.

gimincorp · 07-14-2008, 12:23 PM

I think it's good news: It seems that 1" frag of Kenya Tree that I rubber-banded to the rock was flaring out yesterday night pretty nicely after being flashed with phyto from a syringe.
From what I read, it takes 2 weeks. But, I'll check attachment to the rock on 7/16/08 (one week). Thanks for the tip, DontXtripNfall

georgelc86 · 07-14-2008, 12:31 PM

Finally a serious topic on what I like to call GreenReefing, but I have one question. I applaud your eco-friendly approach to your reef tank but are there any particular "rules" that you have. Such as stocking with tank-bred fish only and using only propagations from other reefers. Things like that.

gimincorp · 07-15-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by georgelc86


	Finally a serious topic on what I like to call GreenReefing, but I have one question. I applaud your eco-friendly approach to your reef tank but are there any particular "rules" that you have. Such as stocking with tank-bred fish only and using only propagations from other reefers. Things like that.

Sort of.
My salt water I got off the craig's list (complete setup). My Fresh water too.
The fish in Freshwater I got from the breeders (read hobbysts - not LFS). They are rare species too!
I got three corals from LFS (mushroom and two others I don't know what (the guy said they are farmed).
The Kenya Trees (KT) and the sun polyps were gotten through DBTC.
I had to re-attach the KT frag yesterday as it detached from the rock I wanted it on and was getting itself on a bigger one. I'm growing it for DBTC and hope to offer it next week (pending attachment to the rock).

georgelc86 · 07-15-2008, 10:34 AM

Very cool. I applaud you. Sometimes it seems like trying to make our tanks eco-friendly is a taboo subject around here.

**marrone** · 07-15-2008, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by georgelc86


	Very cool. I applaud you. Sometimes it seems like trying to make our tanks eco-friendly is a taboo subject around here.

Says who?

I not sure where you got that from, if anything I would think it's just the opposite.

prattreef · 07-15-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by georgelc86


	Sometimes it seems like trying to make our tanks eco-friendly is a taboo subject around here.

As the author of the Marine Fish and Reef USA 2002 article "A Captive reef for the Conscientious Aquarist" and numerous other articles, I really must object to this statement. I and many other MR members have been advocating responsibility in are our hobby for years-- far more years and many more members than you obviously are aware of.

georgelc86 · 07-15-2008, 01:09 PM

Man people are always looking for fights here, why. I love how simple opinions and statements just want to make people smash their heads through a window.

Where I am coming from is that I don’t see it too often if hardly ever at all. Know mind you I am not on this forum every half hour everyday reading every thread. Secondly I joined this forum maybe a year ago and haven’t been on it for about 4 or 5 months. Now just out of curiosity, as an author of said article what is the scope of responsibility. Does it just encompass the realm of our homes or does it expand further than that. I am not judging people because everyone has their own right but what are your feelings of people doing local collections from local waters. If we are so concerned about our waters both national and international then why are we so quick to jump on a boat or do to the shore line and drop a net. In terms of the home aquarium why are we not encouraging our LFS to purchase more tank-bred fish from local farms. I applaud our community for the establishment of the pay it forward idea as well as offering propagations and cuttings from our own tanks. Today I am giving a free tank to a member who is going to breed Bangii Cardinal fish. Do we as responsible reefkeepers understand that the natural habitat of the bangii cardinal fish is becoming ravaged due to the popularity of this fish in the hobby. Ravaged to the point that the populations in their habitat have dropped each year. I personally have a blue streak cleaner wrasse. And frankly, after doing research after purchase it shouldn’t be in my tank. As a responsible reefer, I will not be purchasing this fish again. I am not perfect nor is anyone else here perfect. I just would like to hear what people are doing and as far as my knowledge of this forum extends, gimincorp is the only thread I have come across sharing his philosophy on responsible reefkeeping. Thats all I am saying, I am not attacking anyone or judging anyone. But I would like to know what my peers are doing on their part to help preserve what we so much love that to the point we spend thousands of dollars a year on. If people choose to see my statement as ignorant to the point that it begins to produce evidence, opinions and respectful debates, then you know what, I did my job.

As for your article I really would like to read it, can you point me to where I can obtain it.

07-07-2008, 04:15 AM	#11
gimincorp Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: New Rochelle, NY Posts: 58 Reefer Ratings: (0) Friends: (0)	Fiasco in both: splitting Mushroom coral and growing Phyto. 1. After about a week from removing the coral off the peg, the covering bandage deterriorated and revealed that there was no mushroom underneath it. (It could have died or been blown away too). 2. Yesterday I checked my Phyto farming setup. The water didn't turn any greener since the initial setup. I have tossed it out this morning (7/7/08), re-filled the bottle with used aquarium water and will restart the experiment after I come back from work today. __________________ G M My 10 G Tank

07-09-2008, 11:57 AM	#12
gimincorp Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: New Rochelle, NY Posts: 58 Reefer Ratings: (0) Friends: (0)	Yesterday I tried to tear off the smaller Kenya Tree. With a pretty big effort (They do hold on to their rocks!) I was able to do so. I took a small stone from the tank and attached the fragged KT to it with a rubber band. We'll see if KT will attach itself to the rock in a week or so. __________________ G M My 10 G Tank

07-14-2008, 12:23 PM	#14
gimincorp Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: New Rochelle, NY Posts: 58 Reefer Ratings: (0) Friends: (0)	I think it's good news: It seems that 1" frag of Kenya Tree that I rubber-banded to the rock was flaring out yesterday night pretty nicely after being flashed with phyto from a syringe. From what I read, it takes 2 weeks. But, I'll check attachment to the rock on 7/16/08 (one week). Thanks for the tip, DontXtripNfall __________________ G M My 10 G Tank

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07-14-2008, 12:31 PM	#15
georgelc86 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 1,302 Reefer Ratings: (16) Friends: (6)	Finally a serious topic on what I like to call GreenReefing, but I have one question. I applaud your eco-friendly approach to your reef tank but are there any particular "rules" that you have. Such as stocking with tank-bred fish only and using only propagations from other reefers. Things like that.

07-15-2008, 10:34 AM	#17
georgelc86 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 1,302 Reefer Ratings: (16) Friends: (6)	Very cool. I applaud you. Sometimes it seems like trying to make our tanks eco-friendly is a taboo subject around here.

07-15-2008, 01:09 PM	#20
georgelc86 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 1,302 Reefer Ratings: (16) Friends: (6)	Man people are always looking for fights here, why. I love how simple opinions and statements just want to make people smash their heads through a window. Where I am coming from is that I don’t see it too often if hardly ever at all. Know mind you I am not on this forum every half hour everyday reading every thread. Secondly I joined this forum maybe a year ago and haven’t been on it for about 4 or 5 months. Now just out of curiosity, as an author of said article what is the scope of responsibility. Does it just encompass the realm of our homes or does it expand further than that. I am not judging people because everyone has their own right but what are your feelings of people doing local collections from local waters. If we are so concerned about our waters both national and international then why are we so quick to jump on a boat or do to the shore line and drop a net. In terms of the home aquarium why are we not encouraging our LFS to purchase more tank-bred fish from local farms. I applaud our community for the establishment of the pay it forward idea as well as offering propagations and cuttings from our own tanks. Today I am giving a free tank to a member who is going to breed Bangii Cardinal fish. Do we as responsible reefkeepers understand that the natural habitat of the bangii cardinal fish is becoming ravaged due to the popularity of this fish in the hobby. Ravaged to the point that the populations in their habitat have dropped each year. I personally have a blue streak cleaner wrasse. And frankly, after doing research after purchase it shouldn’t be in my tank. As a responsible reefer, I will not be purchasing this fish again. I am not perfect nor is anyone else here perfect. I just would like to hear what people are doing and as far as my knowledge of this forum extends, gimincorp is the only thread I have come across sharing his philosophy on responsible reefkeeping. Thats all I am saying, I am not attacking anyone or judging anyone. But I would like to know what my peers are doing on their part to help preserve what we so much love that to the point we spend thousands of dollars a year on. If people choose to see my statement as ignorant to the point that it begins to produce evidence, opinions and respectful debates, then you know what, I did my job. As for your article I really would like to read it, can you point me to where I can obtain it.