dersa clam needs....

[waipahu50]

Hi does anyone know if i could have any clams under pc lighting. I currently have about 4 watts of them JEBO PC Lighting over my 80 gallon tank. Will using this much light keep any clams alive and thriving while growing for many years to come.

Also would anyone know if by using a product called aragamilk by caribsea elevate levels of calcium and all other reef elements to levels needed for the survival of any calms.

thankyou for all your time.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm guessing "4 watts" is a typo...how many watts on each bulb? How many bulbs?

 

[Anonymous]

>...Also would anyone know if by using a product called aragamilk...

In addition to the typo that Matt mentioned, you may want to check out article by Randy in AAOM on aragamilk. In a clam shell, it is practically useless. You may want to dose calcium with kalkwasser and other conventional methods (ca rxtor, two parts additives) instead.

 

[waipahu50]

when i meant 4 watts i meant that i had 4 watts per galllon over my 80 gallon of power compact lighting. know would this be enough for my needs.

And as for the aragamilk is there any other product that contains most the calcium and buffer elements needed like argamilk....

If not would aragamilk be a fine product to start out my reef tank of mainly softies for now until i get to the more delicate clams that require a little more than the softies.

---mahalo for all you guys help....

 

[monkeyboy]

Watts per gallon isn't very usefull. What's important to the health of this prospective clam is the depth of the tank along with the wattage and arrangement of your power compacts.

80gal x 4wpg = 320w, not a common arrangement since 4x65w = 260 and 4x96w = 384. The suspense is killing me, what is it?!

 

[Anonymous]

>...aragamilk.... In a clam shell, it is practically useless....

>>..is there any other product that like argamilk....

I don't know if I need to be an more explicit than what I said. I think you want something that actually works, and as I mentioned above, your best bet is kalkwasser or calcium two part additives once you have the clam. Do calcium monitoring with test kit for the first few weeks after you get your clam so that you know how much to dose. Both kalkwasser and two parts will provide you with the calcium and alk. (buffer) in the correct ratio.

 

[waipahu50]

thankyou all for your fast replies.....

But, I believe that I will start out with the more hardier and easy to keep softies like leathers bottons, etc. and advance to the clam keeping in the future, when i gain more experience in reefkeeping.

ohh," dupaboy1992" would you still say that aragamilk is "not" a good product to start of a reef with. just mainly to start off with the softies. Ive read many discussions saying that although softies do need some calcium they dont need the enourmous amounts that clams do.

So ,wouldnt I be safe using aragamilk to keep the softies alive and growing for many years with also the additon of some sort of iodine solution when needed. Isnt this the basis of supplementing a soft, botton, polyps, etc. tanks.

Once again mahalo(thankyou) for all you guys help.

 

[Unarce]

If your going to start off with softies, than you'll pretty much just be using Aragamilk to support coralline algae growth. Maintaining Calcium and Alkalinity isn't imperative in a softy reef.

You can address that when you begin to delve into clams, LPS, and SPS. :wink:

 

[waipahu50]

"reefnutz' thankyou for your reply would you know if aragamilk would be the only thing i would have to add or do i still need to add any iodine supplements for the softies, button polyps, etc.

-Will my current pc lighitng of 4 watts per gallon be sufficent enough for most of these corals in this group...

mahalo!!

 

[Anonymous]

>>... I don't know if I need to be an more explicit than what I said..

>... would you still say that aragamilk is "not" a good product to start of a reef with.

Alright, maybe I do need to be more explicit...

aragamilk is a totally useless, complete waste of money, period.

Alright, maybe that is a bit too strong on CaribSea, but I feel I must do this to get MHO across.

Anyway, I feel that you should do fine without much additive, not even Iodine, if you only start with softies. Use tried-and-true methods like regular water change to keep the water in good condition. As reefnutz said, softies aren't picky about calc., but some may not like it when pH and alk. is out of wack.

There are many way to increase your chance of success as a reefkeeper, but putting money into useless additive without testing for the is definitely not going to do you much good compare to what the extra money can do for your reef if you put it in area such as water filter.

 

[Anonymous]

DupaBoy, let me take a shot here . . .

Waihaii50, what is it that Dupa said that is unclear . . .

"In a clam shell, it is practically useless". Perhaps you didn't catch the joke that "in a clam shell" is a play on "in a nut shell," which means, "here's a summary . . ."


The message is . . .
"Aragamilk is practically useless." Got it? I think Dupa thinks that aragamilk would be better poured into a garabage can than a reef tank, regardless of what is in the tank - softies, whatever.

That's just my interpretation of Dupa's words. i don't know squat about aragamilk.'

Goodluck [/b]

 

[Anonymous]

For softies, I feel you have enough light. Make sure you get some hardy softies, like green star polyps, colt, carbage, etc., and you should be off to a good start. Do you have any specific softies in mind that you want to try? You may want to start a new thread if you don't want to continue with the discussion with deresa clam....

 

[Anonymous]

Thanx Cupric. I am sure all the invert. are afraid of you.

 

[waipahu50]

thanks dupaboy for your reply I see that aragamilk is a bad product..So might there be any other products that have the effect of combining calcium and alkalinity into one. although kalkswaer is one it seems very stressfull to mix it and skim it, etc. very often... Even when iam a high school student with very little time...

--I've heard some great things from kents liquid reactor and red sea's reef success calcium +3 ----these both seem to do the all in one jobs --what do you guys think....

mahalo plenty.....

 

[Unarce]

Two-part additives like Kent work great for Cal/Alk maintainance in smaller reefs. Larger ones would require a Calcium Reactor.

 

[Unarce]

DP

 

[waipahu50]

So really what dupaboy is trying to say is that with regular biweekly water changes fo 20-25% I will not need any supplemntaion of any knid even calcium and my soft corals would do just fine without it.
And my live rock would turn nice and purple without these supplementations...... or will they still need calcium just to turn colors.....

I do use the coralife sea salt.....And is pretty much the only thing they sell around in most of my pet stores for a reasonable price.

thankyou everybody for all your replies..
mahalo plenty!!

 

[Anonymous]

I don't remember what Kent's Liquid Reactor contains, but I *think* it is the same as aragamilk. (not very explicit, but I am sure you know what I mean).

For people with little time, two part is one of the best way to deal with alk. and ca. without spending too much for a calcium reactor. Ditto what reefnutz said. Again, you only need to worry about calcium when you got hard coral in there.

 

[Anonymous]

Dupaboy: It's a bit wussy of me, but I really can only frighten the spineless ones.!

 

[waipahu50]

Thankyou and mahalo to all that replied to my questions iam thinking of starting another thread now on what species of softies would be good for my tank......