Deltec AP 703 Skimmer ???

[Bikinisalt]

It is not the best skimmer for the $$ someone had to paid for new and retail, I am selling it at a discount which would make it a decent deal. No needle wheel skimmer I have tried can touch the performance of a well constructed Beckett, not in price or performance. People who have seen a BK (few on this site) can tell you they are much better than Deltec, both in performance and quality of material.

I don't think many people can feed more than I do.

I agree about the becketts, being that I own a few. One thing I don't understand is that you are stating in post # 39 of that thread and I quote" I have a BK300, a Deltec 701, a H&S A250, and a BM250. I think I have tried just about all the German needle wheel skimmer brands. BK is not the best performing one I've used." But now you are contradicting yourself, so which is it?

As far as the feeding if you are home all day and feed 8 times a day and maybe even more, then you have me beat...

 

[charile1]

I don’t see the contradiction? First post says that the BK is better than Deltec. Post #39 states that the BK is not the best performing needle wheel skimmer. Maybe he thinks the H&S is the best?

Maybe we should have a 18yr girl confirm the statement? j/k

 

[pecan2phat]

I can't afford a BK but I do like the H&S over the Deltec. Think there was only $100 difference.

 

[cali_reef]

I agree about the becketts, being that I own a few. One thing I don't understand is that you are stating in post # 39 of that thread and I quote" I have a BK300, a Deltec 701, a H&S A250, and a BM250. I think I have tried just about all the German needle wheel skimmer brands. BK is not the best performing one I've used." But now you are contradicting yourself, so which is it?

As far as the feeding if you are home all day and feed 8 times a day and maybe even more, then you have me beat...

BK is not the best performing German needle wheel skimmer I have used, but it beats the Deltec I have. I don't see how that is contradicting?? You asked how are Deltecs, and I am telling you it is not worth what they are selling for.

Okay, you feed more that I do..:bablefish you probably need a Deltec.

 

[cali_reef]

I don?t see the contradiction? First post says that the BK is better than Deltec. Post #39 states that the BK is not the best performing needle wheel skimmer. Maybe he thinks the H&S is the best?

:fishhit:

You are smart and should get a job counting change somewhere .

 

[Bikinisalt]

I don’t see the contradiction? First post says that the BK is better than Deltec. Post #39 states that the BK is not the best performing needle wheel skimmer. Maybe he thinks the H&S is the best?

Aren't these his words in the above post. People who have seen a BK (few on this site) can tell you they are much better than Deltec, both in performance and quality of material.

In the other post he is comparing to a Deltec and other skimmers...

There he is saying that the skimmer is not great in performance and in this thread he is saying it is...

Maybe the meaning for contradiction(To be contrary to; be inconsistent)has changed. Maybe I don't see it and I am the dumb one. :tired:

 

[Dace]

ok, so you guys h & s Better then deltec, That's understandable. But when you have to dish out about 1500.00 to replace a BK skimmer pump because they have those locking issue's Then we'll see which is the better skimmer. I was going to upgrade to a BK skimmer but after reading how you broke on nycFireman for claiming BK was a good skimmer after he told you he hated it, I cchanged my mind, The crazing issue they are having with the acrylic and worrying about buying a new pump at what a Red Dragonpump goe for when it needs to be replaced, i had to pass. At least if you have a deltec or H&S with more then one pump you might be able to dial it in to skim somewhat until you get the replacement pump. Example. a Deltec 1003 will turn into a 902 if one pump die's. A BK will turn into a Dead Dragon if the pump dies, And good luck trying to get it serviced or replaced soon. Just my 2 Cents.

 

[Dace]

By the way, I'm not doubting cali's skimmer advice because he's probably one of the people who i 'know could afford to have a bunch of skimmers up and running at the same time and has gone through a bunch of equipment and has the knowledge to give good advice. If i needed advice for anything that in this hobby he would be one of the first ppl i would call, and I've done that many times in the past. I just feel that there is a little of conflicting info going around in some of these post.

 

[jhale]

I was going to ask this in a new thread, but since there is this current skimmer thread going I hope Ray you won't mind, skimmer gurus, the best choice under 31" tall , becket or NW ? 180G system. heavy feeding, medium bio-load.
If you want to sell me a skimmer just pm the price

 

[Dace]

I was going to ask this in a new thread, but since there is this current skimmer thread going I hope Ray you won't mind, skimmer gurus, the best choice under 31" tall , becket or NW ? 180G system. heavy feeding, medium bio-load.
If you want to sell me a skimmer just pm the price

Jon, in my opinion it would be :
http://www.deltecusa.us/proteinskimmers/ap702.php
Or
http://www.aquariumspecialty.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=34_184_94&products_id=453
I have to admit that the h&s look well made

 

[cali_reef]

Aren't these his words in the above post. People who have seen a BK (few on this site) can tell you they are much better than Deltec, both in performance and quality of material.

In the other post he is comparing to a Deltec and other skimmers...

There he is saying that the skimmer is not great in performance and in this thread he is saying it is...

Maybe the meaning for contradiction(To be contrary to; be inconsistent)has changed. Maybe I don't see it and I am the dumb one. :tired:

I have not edited any of my post and my understanding of the word "contradiction" are the same as you have cut and pasted from a dictionary.

Where did I say the BK performs GREAT here?? and where did I say it does not perform GREAT in other threads?

RIF :irked:

 

[albfelix]

I bought a Bubble King Mini 200 and was not performing to my expectations. Also the idea of a $700 pump replacement cost in case it dies, did not like a bit. Went and sold it not even a month old and bought myself a H&S recirculating skimmer with one Eheim pump. I love it and I don't think I will change it for a while. Added also two layers of mesh on top of the needle wheels and skimmer is on steroids now. Don't like the idea of destroying all the pins in the needle wheel. It is producing a lot of fine micro bubbles. I still have no live stock in my tank and I can't imagine what it will pull when the tank is full.

 

[cali_reef]

ok, so you guys h & s Better then deltec, That's understandable. But when you have to dish out about 1500.00 to replace a BK skimmer pump because they have those locking issue's Then we'll see which is the better skimmer. I was going to upgrade to a BK skimmer but after reading how you broke on nycFireman for claiming BK was a good skimmer after he told you he hated it, I cchanged my mind, The crazing issue they are having with the acrylic and worrying about buying a new pump at what a Red Dragonpump goe for when it needs to be replaced, i had to pass. At least if you have a deltec or H&S with more then one pump you might be able to dial it in to skim somewhat until you get the replacement pump. Example. a Deltec 1003 will turn into a 902 if one pump die's. A BK will turn into a Dead Dragon if the pump dies, And good luck trying to get it serviced or replaced soon. Just my 2 Cents.

I just checked Scott's website for a replacement Red Dragon, I didn't see one costing more than $1k. Not sure who told you they cost $1500 to replace.

My BK is about 2.5 years old, I took the pump apart and cleaned it twice in that time. The tank topoff water is saturated with kalk as only means of Ca addition. Most pumps fail because people don't do regular maintenance as required. Have you checked the price of a replacement eheim pump for the Deltecs? It was quoted @ over $500 each. I have a huge problem with that, the standard 1260/1262 motor cost less than $150, what did Deltec do to it that is so special costing a $350 premium? The same pump with different fitting from H&S was quoted at less than $250.

Have you tried skimming with a single pump on your 902? I like to know how that works out.

I give people advice based on my actual experience, not based on what I have read on another board. I couldn't give a ratsa$$ if people wants to dump boat load of $$ and insist what they bought is the best. I do know which one is the best:tired:.

 

[Bikinisalt]

I have not edited any of my post and my understanding of the word "contradiction" are the same as you have cut and pasted from a dictionary.

Where did I say the BK performs GREAT here?? and where did I say it does not perform GREAT in other threads?

RIF :irked:

Your right Cali, it does not say great, my bad, I meant the word (best).:smash:

 

[fritz]

FWIW I'm not a fan of the Deltec 7 series. I find them too short to be very effective. The 851 is great from what I've seen (and it's H&S counterpart) the 701 however is a different beast altogether. I found the 701 to not be effective due to greatly reduced contact time in the short body. I would never own another 7 series deltec or other eheim in that height. If I were to go with another eheim needlewheel it'll be tall.

 

[Dace]

I just checked Scott's website for a replacement Red Dragon, I didn't see one costing more than $1k. Not sure who told you they cost $1500 to replace.

My BK is about 2.5 years old, I took the pump apart and cleaned it twice in that time. The tank topoff water is saturated with kalk as only means of Ca addition. Most pumps fail because people don't do regular maintenance as required. Have you checked the price of a replacement eheim pump for the Deltecs? It was quoted @ over $500 each. I have a huge problem with that, the standard 1260/1262 motor cost less than $150, what did Deltec do to it that is so special costing a $350 premium? The same pump with different fitting from H&S was quoted at less than $250.

Have you tried skimming with a single pump on your 902? I like to know how that works out.

I give people advice based on my actual experience, not based on what I have read on another board. I couldn't give a ratsa$$ if people wants to dump boat load of $$ and insist what they bought is the best. I do know which one is the best:tired:.

Is this the same one the bk400 uses, because that's the one i was reffering to. I thought i saw if for 1299.00

 

[Dace]

FWIW I'm not a fan of the Deltec 7 series. I find them too short to be very effective. The 851 is great from what I've seen (and it's H&S counterpart) the 701 however is a different beast altogether. I found the 701 to not be effective do to greatly reduced contact time in the short body. I would never own another 7 series deltec or other eheim in that height. If I were to go with another eheim needlewheel it'll be tall.

That's exacty why i upgraded from the 702 to the 902, Anyway this thread is becoming bull **** me. Sorry ray. I now own a deltec 1003 which ever of your bullshit skimmers you want to bring to my house and test next to my skimmer feel free to do so, And again sorry for the bull **** Ray

 

[Dace]

Sorry Fritz, but the last part of my comments are not directed to you

 

[fritz]

What's all the beef about? Red dragon pumps are around $1,000.00 to replace, that's common knowledge. Cali likes H&S and isn't the biggest fan of deltec, also common knowledge. Cali also has 12 or so pages on here, in GREAT detail, of exactly what he didn't like about the BK. Maybe not common knowledge?

Maybe too many people buy skimmers for the "20 inch rim" factor.

Didn't take it that way Dace

 

[Dace]

What's all the beef about? Red dragon pumps are around $1,000.00 to replace, that's common knowledge. Cali likes H&S and isn't the biggest fan of deltec, also common knowledge. Cali also has 12 or so pages on here, in GREAT detail, of exactly what he didn't like about the BK. Maybe not common knowledge?

Maybe too many people buy skimmers for the "20 inch rim" factor.

Didn't take it that way Dace

I'm not in the F-ing mode to F up this guys thread, we want to talk about beef. lets start a new thread. some people give advice and feel they can also make statements like i don't give a ****.. This guy is asking for advice we should keep it clean