The logical reef is not logical at all

[bdwei2005]

Guys and gals I think I'm going to give up on dealing with online coral suppliers and rather just deal with my LFS. Too many issues and problems.

Here is the story,
Brian at the Logical reef went back on his promise/word to place me on a waiting list for some zoas that he was offering on eBay. I have dealt with many vendors and none of them went back on their word.

To make a long story short, my first contact with Brian at the logical reef was thru ebay by e-mail. I was inquiring about a zoa he offered on ebay. At first, Brian was nice enough to place me on a waiting list for this one zoa and I also inquired about more corals and the best shipping rate. Brian was again nice enough to suggest that he can piggy back my zoas with a supply order to his partner Jim at theundergroundreef.com and since Jim is closer to me the shipping would be far less expensive. He also suggested that I contact Jim at theundergroundreef.com for other coral interests. Well, I was grateful until a few e-mails to Jim revealed to me that he was being extremely difficult because he wanted me to give him a 30% deposit for corals that I wanted to add to brains zoa. Understanding this, I told Jim that I cannot place a deposit in this case because this transaction depended on me getting Brians zoa and I was not given any guarantees by Brian. Well, after that it was clear that Jim was not going to cooperate on Brians piggy back idea. Jim began to change his tone with me and read into my emails that I sent to him (which he admitted to). I went forward with Brian at thelogicalreef.com knowing that he will need to ship it to me directly. All was well until about a week later when Jim from theundergroundreef.com contacted me on ebay about some corals that I was selling. When he learned that I was the same guy getting the zoas from Brian and also selling zoas on ebay he contacted Brian. Within an hour both Brian (thelogicalreef.com) and Jim (theunderground.com) attacked me via e-mail telling me all sorts of nasty unprofessional things that were not nice and bears not repeating here. But the short of it was that Brian told me that I was being taken off of the waiting list for the zoas because I somehow deceived him. Remember that the very first time that I contacted him for this zoa was thru ebay (see above). Basically, the both of them are worried that somehow I would take their frag and become their competition. LOL

That is the short story of what I?ve been threw. If there is anyone that would like to know more details you could PM me if you wish. I just wanted to set the record straight and warn all those interested in dealing with these two. You now know what you may be up against. I will leave the rest upto you (the reader) to make up your own minds weather or not you think it is a proper business ethic to go back on your word just because some buyer may be a potential reseller and for fear of being your best competition. I just find that too funny and wanted to share

 

[jackson6745]

I think you should just stick to LFS's from now on.......

 

[marrone]

bdwei2005

I've dealt with Brian plenty of times in the past and have always felt he is one of the few people in the trade that is actually fair. His zoo's go very fast and he tries to make sure everyone gets some. He actually goes out of his way to make sure that people get his zoo's and not have people hog them up when they're ready for sale.

Brian wouldn't sell you things if he things they wouldn't make it in your tank and he'll also tell you about the zoo's and how they'll look in your tank under different lighting.

Even though Brian now has a retail store, and has started selling through Ebay, he is a hobbyist and like his zoo's to go to other hobbyist not people looking to turn around his zoo's and reselling them and making money. I'm sure there is more to your story but I know this is how Brian feels from dealing with him in the past.

 

[Crakeur lost his password]

Bryan is the most honest, stand up guy in the online reefing business. Bar none. (except maybe patrick at sps but he left the business). Bryan has been trying hard to get his online business back up and running while also getting his store back up to speed. Your story sounds very uncharacteristic of Bryan (not doubting it, just saying that it doesn't sound like him at all). I've been dealing with him for years as a friend, frag supplier and he's now a client of mine. This is the first I've heard of anyone having any problems with him.

 

[bdwei2005]

There is no more to the story than this. If you want to know more, contact me and I'll send you copies of the e-mails.

Thanks for everyones replies/opinions. I thought I was clear but maybe I was not clear enough. I had absolutely no intention on selling his zoa frag. Remember that what he was going to sell me was a 10 polyp frag.

I can tell you that without a doubt the only reason that he would not sell to me was because he thinks I am going to be his competition and beat him somehow. This is really funny to me. I can tell you that I do agree that Brian can be a nice guy BUT going back on your word once you make a promise in buisness is the number one NO NO in my book. On top of that it is a really lame excuse IMO. I mean come on, anyone can buy anything and sell it on ebay.

 

[bdwei2005]

Originally posted by jackson6745:
I think you should just stick to LFS's from now on.......

After this I think that I am going to.