Sadly this is happening frequently and in the past few months many new comers left the site since they have been asked to leave the site if they don?t like it... I introduced a member to this web site ( I met him @ a LFS) but he left after he got such treatment. Now I don?t ever mention about MR to any one? I know that is sad... But that is the truth...
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Sadly this is happening frequently and in the past few months many new comers left the site since they have been asked to leave the site if they don?t like it... I introduced a member to this web site ( I met him @ a LFS) but he left after he got such treatment. Now I don?t ever mention about MR to any one? I know that is sad... But that is the truth...
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- Bay Ridge, BK
I agree that it is the little people that make this community so great. So when people try to talk garbage about the community both on the board and off, I get offended. There is a member on this site I don't care for and he is still around. I wanted him banned and thought he brought little to the site. I made my feelings known, he didn't get banned. I shut up about it. I thought about leaving the site and just staying on RC but I decided that would just be spiteful and juvenile so I shut up and just ignored this particular guy. My MR life has been better since. All I am saying is that in this free country and on this PRIVATE site we all enjoy, you are free to leave whenever you want and this site can make whatever rules it wants, the fact they allow input on these rules is a testament to what kind of people they are.
You don't see any of this on RC or many other forums because they don't even give chances or let people voice opinions, they simply ban you and move on. Discourse is allowed here.
You don't see any of this on RC or many other forums because they don't even give chances or let people voice opinions, they simply ban you and move on. Discourse is allowed here.
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I have to agree with this. Even at several LFS, the mention of MR doesn't seem quite welcoming..."oh, ur one of those guys..." Is there something more than this current issue that should be examined?
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- Union Square, NY
I think one thing that is not clear in the rules as people are reading them is that the "Small" events do not require moderator approval.
You mention this in response to people being shown the door. Would you prefer that this site is moderated less? If this place is to become Romper Room, I would expect that we'd all get a lot more of "you're one of those guys" when we mention MR. If people act like idiots and are asked to leave, the community could be a bit more respected. I think you are not aware of the level of potential irritation that we keep off of the board daily. These rules are an extension of that.
You mention this in response to people being shown the door. Would you prefer that this site is moderated less? If this place is to become Romper Room, I would expect that we'd all get a lot more of "you're one of those guys" when we mention MR. If people act like idiots and are asked to leave, the community could be a bit more respected. I think you are not aware of the level of potential irritation that we keep off of the board daily. These rules are an extension of that.
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- Union Square, NY
Well, you are free to do anything you want basically up to around 10 attendees. No one is interested in putting any major rules on that.
You may not be out to make a buck, but some people are. If you read the rules carefully the basically eliminate the possibility of anyone making money off the members. They also eliminate the need for any sort of financial management of the events. So in reality the rules are doing what you want it to do.
Let me stress that the rule list started at 3 rules and as more issues were identified and holes were found, we had to add to the list. It would be really nice if our one rule was "Don't be an ass" but thats pretty ambiguous.
Nope, my reference was to those that left on their own...not the people shown the door. I'm not aware of whether those I dealt with or met were shown the door or not.
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- Greenpoint Brooklyn, NY
Its not MR itself that is doing that, or the mods saying "if you don't like it go elsewhere" thats causing the stores to not like MR members. Its the people you talk with here that are causing that to happen.
Most fish places don't like MR members because they walk in and expect free stuff and special treatment in the store based solely on the fact that they are MR members. And then badmouth them on the site when they don't get that. Or worse actually, it even goes onto theft and vandalism.
The mods and admin don't make all the threads or write peoples posts for them. All MR is here for is crowd control and help support and grow a beneficial community in the reefing world. Its the members that shape and define this community.
i agree to most of what u say here, but i think using RC as an example needs to stop. RC is not like MR and should not be compared, RC is an international website, (its like comparing the mayor of NY to the president) and with that come a whole different set issues that aren't dealt with here, also because of there size large issues are what get priorities, not issues that affect 50 odd ppl. what make this whole thing and issue on MR is that its small in comparison, and those involved are very active posters, like my self.
after much though i think there should be 2 rules.
1. MR is not responsible for any issues(e.g. injuries offenses etc.) that arise from these events if they are not sponsored by admin, and if not, they should not be advertised as an extension of MR. MR sponsored events will be arranged by or conjointly with admin if the event is not sponsered no compensation will be given for food etc., and host would be directly responsible for expenses incurred, or may arrange that all those who attend to pitch in for food.
2. vendor involvement must be approved by admin, e.g. group buys etc.
that is basically a melted down version of the op.
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- Staten Island
Josh the rules you have posted should be very easy to follow and I don't think you or the mods are asking to much.
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- Franklin Lakes, NJ
Honestly, that's what it comes down to.
On the board, there are rules. You can follow the rules or leave. Why is this an issue?
I personally think that the site should be more heavily moderated. If you don't follow the rules, you shouldn't be here. We're all adults, there's no reason we shouldn't be able to behave properly and follow some simple rules.
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- poughquag, ny
+1
and i have said it before, 3/4 of the stuff done and said on here would have you banned on other site's.
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- Bay Ridge, BK
Fair enough. Take the RC example off the table and substitute any other smaller board to make my point.
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- The Big City
Actually I think the comparison between MR and RC is really a good one, and is one that is usually brought up when someone doesn't like something happening on the board, usually restricting them. RC is a very restricted site, now even more so than in the past. MR, for the most part, is very lax on the moderation of the board and what the members can and can't do, probably more lax then most site you'll find on the web, and don't forget that we want kids to be able to view the site, and parents not have to worry about letting their kids view it. Lets also not forget that this is a private site too, something I think people seem to forget when they go on the web.
If you discount the size, between MR & RC, the only difference really is we talk more about local events and things like LFS, buying, selling and such. But outside of that, similar posts on reef tank and fish are conducted. There isn't a global vs local difference between the two boards, as the topics, for the most part, are always about the hobby, which is global. The big difference though is one place is more restricted, RC, than the other, which is where people do point to members to go, when they're having a problem with MR. You'll also find it's not large issue on RC that gets their attention but the small ones, which usually involved a small group of people causing problems. They nip them in the bud before the turn into big problems. In the end they've decided to just make the board very restricted with zero Torrance. Now just image if we did that on MR.
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Marrone, the issue of a comparison is moot here. What is happening is a small group of vocal members is upset at MR. 95% of the members have a vague idea ( or no idea ) what it is all about and all they are seeing is these threads which make MR look like they are being heavy handed, nazis, money hungry or any other horrible thing when in reality MR is looking out for its members, not trying to stifle meetings. In the end, the site is being used by a small group for their own agenda and although I am (or maybe after this post "was") cool with them before I knew what I know now, I am saddened by the way it all turned out. There is room for everyone on this site and I just selfishly want regular old MR back.
On a note about why I think LFS's don't love MR members is probably a bit of the fact that we generally know our stuff and don't get ripped off as easily as their bread n butter clients. Therefore, we are more of a burden to them while they could be selling their 19.99$ a pound live rock or 75$ Kenya Trees to less knowledgeable clients.
Just my 4cents.
James
On a note about why I think LFS's don't love MR members is probably a bit of the fact that we generally know our stuff and don't get ripped off as easily as their bread n butter clients. Therefore, we are more of a burden to them while they could be selling their 19.99$ a pound live rock or 75$ Kenya Trees to less knowledgeable clients.
Just my 4cents.
James
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I never said I was cool, I'm a bit of a dork. I said I never had beef with any of you guys nor pretty much anyone on this site or in "real life" either. I know enough and that is not hearsay that I have heard from people but stuff that was pieced together by me. I am smart enough and have enough information to make my own conclusions. I could be wrong but I suppose time will tell.
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