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MaryHM

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I finally have permission from Ferdinand Cruz, former MAC training supervisor in the Philippines, to post his resignation letter which details out several serious concerns he has with the current MAC program. It's good to hear from someone with first hand experience- both with MAC and with the collection side of things. These are the most damning allegations yet, and I feel it is important to get this information out to the general public. MAC needs to know that they are being watched. We must continue to keep the pressure on MAC to create a program that will create true industry reform and not psuedo-feel good reform. MAC has the potential to do good, but they also have the potential to greenwash this industry. It's up to each of us as industry professionals and/or hobbyists to insure that this industry is carried out in the most ethical and sustainable way possible.

http://www.reefsource.com/Industry%20Is ... _files.htm
 

naesco

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Well Mary this is a rehash of the old stuff that we dealt with early December.
I am really not interested in the politics between IMA and MAC.

I am really interested in monitoring the progress being made by MAC on
putting in place an cyanide testing programme asap.

With the new election of the AMDA president, MACs committment to cyanide testing and other positive developments, hopefully we can proceed as one and get the job done.

Is that not what we really want?

Wayne
 

MaryHM

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I don't think it's a rehash at all. The problems go much deeper than the cyanide issue we've all been harping on, and I think Ferdinand makes that very clear. Yes, we need to make sure that the cyanide questions get resolved, but in the meantime there are other serious issues at hand that must be dealt with. Ferdinand's letter is not politics between the IMA and the MAC.

If the MAC is truly sincere that they are working on the cyanide issue, then we can begin to address the other issues that Ferdinand raises. After all, if the collectors aren't supporting MAC we aren't go to get very far with certification, are we?
 

Jaime Baquero

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Mary,

As stated in a previous message, Paul is now in the Philippines and meetings with collectors are top in his agenda. He has been reading the constructive criticism and is going to take measures . I spoke to him about how imperative is for MAC to take a stand and defend the interest of fish collectors before exporters. Paul knows how unhappy collectors are , also knows how decisive is the response of exporters to collectors claims.

I hope no one is planning to undermine MAC's efforts.

jaime
 

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I going to have to agree with Mary all the way on this one. Ferdinand Cruz's letter has pointed out many of the reasons we should not put blind faith in MAC. Paul and the gang need to do a much better job of dealing with the field issues. Naesco I don't remember dicussing all the issues Ferdinand brought up. The only way MAC will ever earn the trust and respect of the industry is for their actions to speak louder than their words. If their current work in the Philippines is an example of the best they can do, then I think this industry is in big trouble.
 

naesco

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Mary of course they are important but I thought we all agreed that getting the cyanide test in the shortest possible time is the priority.

In any event based it appears from James Baquero s post that MAC is not only dealing with the cyanide issue but also the issues surrounding the fishers which is great news.

That news underlines the point I am trying to make. Let us all resolve that we are going to discuss positive contributions rather than dwell on the past.
There is too many good people who are concerned on this forum to waste time on the negative.
Lets move forward, eh.
 

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Mary,

I also think that it would be helpful to put dates on the letters that you post on your website. Although I find them a good read and are informative as to the opinions and thoughts of many good industry people, any newly "enlightened" hobbyiest may not understand the timeline of this whole discussion. The more information the better.
 

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kyle,

Since I don't see Mary listed as being on line, I will just add that December 2002 is not exactly ancient history. Surely you heard some of the rumors that Ferdinand's resignation was in the works. I know Steve leaked it out a month or so ago.
 

MaryHM

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The letter did not come to me with a date, but December 2002 is correct. From what I understand, the situation with the collectors and MAC has worsened dramatically since Ferdinand resigned. Time will tell if Paul can piece this thing back together. Maybe if he had listened to sound advice from multiple people to begin with we wouldn't have had to get to this point.


Naesco, if all you want is good news about MAC, I suggest you find another place to hang out until they get their train back on the track. ;) Without any collectors supporting them, the cyanide test will be worthless. I have dealt with MAC for a very long time and have been made all kinds of promises about what they're "working on". I truly hope they are sincere this time and am giving them the benefit of the doubt (for the last time) on the cyanide test. But I'm not going to sit back and get apathetic waiting to hear some good news. As the news breaks, I'll report it. Whether it be good or bad.
 

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This is in regard to Ferdinand Cruz's letter of resignation from the MAC on December 15, 2002. First I must clairify that it is not old news. It is a crises that has been building for the past two years that the MAC Certification program has been underway in the Philippines. I wrote a paper with Ferdinand Cruz that was published in the OFI Journal ( Ornamental Fish International) in October 2002 titled "Net-Training to CAMP: Community-Based Programmes That Benefit Coral Reef Conservation And The Aquarium Trade". The paper outlines the history of the net-trainings by both the Haribon Foundation for the Conservation of Natural Resources and the International Marinelife Alliance (IMA). In the article I outlined the MAC feasability study (FS) conducted in 2001 and the creation of Collection Area Management Plans (CAMPs) during 2002 as they relate to the MAC Core Standards, particularly those for Collecion, Holding, and Transport (CHT) and Ecosystem and Fisheries Management (EFM). I also explained how they fitted in with the new Philippines Fisheries Act of 1998 and decentralized management by local government units (LGUs) which are the municipalities charged with managing municipal waters out to 15 km from shore. Basically, our article was supportive of the MAC. So what went wrong?

I obtained the CAMP documents for two municipalities where Ferdinand Cruz had conducted FS and CAMPs. The first deals with the CAMP prepared by the Net-Collectors of the municipality of Palauig, in the Province of Zambales. The second dealt with the Net-Collectors Group Collection Area Management Plan for the municipality of Busuanga situated on the Island of Busuanga in the Calamian Group in Northeastern Palawan. Both documents show a tremendous amount of work by Ferdinand, the collectors, and the MAC training team. In Ferdinand's letter he indicates he spent 6 months at each site. The collectors must buy into the concept of sustainably managing their marine resources. Underwater surveys werre conducted to document the health of the reefs, the abundance of the fish species and their species diversity. The MAC Core standards requires that a plan be prepared by the Collectors Area Management Committee in conjunction with a Non-Collectors Advisory Committee. In the CAMPs for these two municipalities all of this is thoroughly conducted. Then, the plans were reviewed by the municipal government through the Fisheries and Aquatic Resource Management Councils (FARMCs).

I also had the opportunity to review the many forms that collectors were required to fill out to view the lists of species available at each site studied
during the FS. When I had a draft manuscript of our paper, I sent it to Paul Holthus for review. He replied that I had failed to mention other CAMP sites near the Island of Bohol. This came as quite a surprise to me since I had spent over a month gathering information from many sources including Lino Alvarez and David Vosseler of the MAC, as well as others like Marivi Laurel and Ferdinand Cruz and none of them had mentioned these other CAMP sites. The other sites where CAMP training has been conducted include Batasan Island in the municipality of Tubigon, the municipality of Clarin (both near the Island of Bohol), Bagac in the province of Bataan, and the muncipality of Coron (on the Island of Busuanga).

Ferdinand's letter expressed frustration with the fact that the muncipalities of Tubigon (village of Batasan), and Clarin were certified by the MAC during November 2002, while the municipalities where he conducted his work (Palauig and Busuanga) still have not been certified. Why is it that two muncipalities that did everything outlined in the MAC CHT and EFM core standards were not certified, while Tubigon and Clarin were certified?

The latter two municipalities were trained and had CAMPs prepared under the supervision of Lino Alvarez (the MAC-Philippines Coordinator). Ferdinand's letter indicates the CAMPs for these two municipalities were incomplete and were prepared in a period a few months. According to Ferdinand's letter "Batasan, Bohol had a simple Collection Area Management PLan with large wordings of "to be filled up" showing that it is an unfinished management plan yet it was quickly certified with no problems." Some MAC staff objected to this to Lino Alvarez but nothing was done. It appears that the MAC falsely certified these sites (e.g., Batasan and Clarin do not meet either the CHT or the EFT core standards). The collectors did not have barrier nets. Yet, the sites were certified.

Another issue is that the reefs close to these muncipalities are degraded, and have a low fish diversity. For example the MAC FS indicates that there were only 22 species of marine aquarium fish observed at Batasan Island in 2001. Apparently, Aquarium Habitat only receives about 12 species from Batasan Island (municpality of Tubigon). In comparison, Palauig, Zambales was found to have 46 species of interest to the aquarium trade.in the MAC FS document.

Several people have informed me that ReefCheck did an underwater survey (to evaluate MAQTRAC underwater survey methods) at Batasan Island and considered the site "unsustainable". Yet the MAC chose to ignore these data, and went ahead and certified the site. Despite several requests for the Batasan Island CAMP document, I have not been able to obtain it from the MAC. Ferdinand's letter indicates that the Batasan Island CAMP document is incomplete and does not justify certification of the site.

So my question is why is it that the MAC certified Tubigon (village of Batasan) and Clarin which don't appear to meet MAC Core Standards, while not certifying Palauig and Busuanga? The MAC owes us a detailed explanation.

Sincerely,
Peter J. Rubec, Ph.D.
 

PeterIMA

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As a point of clarification, I recognize that the "Certification" was done by a 3rd party certification company contracted by the MAC. Please note the questions posed recently by Josef Steiger to Mr. O'Geren representing the company in England that certified Batasan. So far, I seen any reply from this company that did the site assessement.

Peter Rubec
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Hello ,
As new grand poobah of AMDA I guess I have to behave somewhat against my original nature and pretend that its all OK.
Ferdies letter of resignation and Marivis letter of outrage and the yet to be revealed divers union letters of outrage are not to be dismissed lightly.
"ALL WE ARE SAYING IS GIVE THEM A CHANCE?"
A chance to do what...make it worse? No matter how ernestly you drive down the wrong road...if its the wrong road, you're not going to get there!!!
I am very "concerned and upset about the reality of things confirmed in the letter. I warned everyone a year ago and few listened. A year ago I was constantly urged to give them a chance...a year ago I was reminded that Rome wasn't built in a day. A year, and 5 years and 10 years and 15 years ago I have been urged to show restraint and calm, to give the process a chance, to wait and see.
Rehash of the same old stuff?
No ! Its a CONFIRMATION from Filipino sources on the front line, Filipinos of the original Fellowship, [FOP] that what I was saying was true. If confirmation and corraboration are just terms for rehashing, then what is the intelligent thing to do? Proceed forward without reference to past error? Proceed in 'pollyanna' style with a Rev. Moonie smile and chant that its going to be OK if we wish upon a star?
I, as much as Jaime and naesco et al. would prefer to live in peace...
I just wonder of what it means to regard pending and predictable disaster and remain silent. What is wrong with me if I go along with the chain of errors and betray what I know more than most to be true. When does submission become selling out? When does compliance become aiding and abetting....when does P.R. become spin doctoring and then segue into whitewash?
Did the newfound alliance with CORL come about only as a result of the knowing and pending collapse of so much field infrastructure in the Philippines and among Filipinos?
Did I already sell out by behaving so well this past year? I watched error after predictable error go by and many without retort.
City based, computer provided template thinking as in the Marine Stewardship and Forestry Councils...will not work on trops...plain and simple. Top down approaches are doomed from day one to field problems and diver trainings. Training without the proper nets will fail and fail and fail again...not through lack of trying, but thru lack of the proper nets. ...I put a big "duh" here a year ago, but have since matured to the level that I find routine failure of wrong headed thinking and wrong headed approaches , not acceptable, but inevitable,
Enabling social change in Filipino fishing villages is not a technical or marketing issue. Its at first and at once a social one. If you can't understand that, if you send out the wrong people with the wrong gear, you are simply not in the business of success.
Exporters in the Philippines, bless their hearts, have largely been in the business of exploiting and cheating the poor divers and have worshipped a "I win-you lose" methodology for 40 years. They have also enjoyed priority attention and respect in the past years reform efforts as they diverted the thinking to their way of thinking. Going along with this thinking is basically going along with the status quo. They have money...divers don't.
But we're not supposed to be a chamber of commerce for the cyanide cartel . Aren't we as interested in reefs and the village fisherman? Are we accidentely selling out to the wrong side in the need to get along and score a few points for ourselves personally? How many of us subjugate our better natures to become accepted as "players" in someone elses priorities?
TO BE CONVINCED IN PRIVATE BUT TO CHOOSE NOT TO ACT ACCORDINGLY BECAUSE OF PERSONAL ISSUES...what is that? Cowardice? Dishonesty?Corruption?
Are we to be just a little bit pregnant now but with intentions of changing later?
Theres a lot to think about...
Of course its easy to cool it if you don't care about anything. Maybe I should try that. It seems to work for many others.
Nah...I don't think so.
Sincerely pissed off,
Steve Robinson
President AMDA
 

naesco

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Steve

Paul had posted his letter of committment on the cyanide issue.
Jaime has posted that MAC is in the Phillipines as we speak addressing the issues raised.

I am not thinking in terms of years or months I am thinking in tems of weeks.

Lets work together to make it happen.

I understand the frustrations and disappointments of the past but let this one chance proceed. It is our only hope IMO unless someone has a better idea.
 

Jaime Baquero

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Steve,

What I got from Ferd's letter is another confirmation of how chaotic is the situation in the Philippines. I am not silent, I'll need to see results and soon..

Many years of work to community level identifying problems and offering solutions. Excellent communiy organizers, trainers and hundreds of trained fish collectors were the result of OVI/Haribon work in the Philippines. As consequence less cyanide is squirted into the coral reefs. This is the main reason why we should wait. Allow MAC to correct its weakness, get on the right track and firmly act.. Certification in the Philippines is a needed conservation tool.

If MAC is dismantled the big winners will be exporters, the collectors will be poorer and the coral reefs will suffer the consequences of cyanide use.
Is that what we want?

I hope no one is taking advantage of the situation and is planning to undermine MAC (is the second time I say it in two days).

I consider Paul's trip to the Philippines the most important he has made since he took over the MAC.

IMA's head office position is important in this debate. Most of the individuals mentioned are or were IMA members. I remember Chip Barber's statement a while ago.

Jaime
 

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Reply to Jaime Baquero of OVI,

Jaime, I have been impressed by your statements that the most important thing is to address the needs of the collectors first. We agreed that the collectors are the ones using cyanide, but that this was because of economic necessity forced upon them by middlemen and Filipino exporters who refuse to pay more for net-caught fish. One thing that struck home wih me in Ferdinand's letter is that the Philippines Tropical Fish Exporters Association (PFTEA) headed by Lolita Ty refuses to pay more for net-caught fish. In fact, the prices paid by the PFTEA for fish from the collectors have not increased in 10 years. Lolita Ty would not talk to me when I called her to discuss these issues about a month ago. She is on the MAC BOD and refuses to support MAC Certification by paying more to the collectors. I recently I noted on Reefs.org that the reduction in mortality from over 30% with cyanide-caught fish to 3-5% for net-caught fish easily justifies an increase in the price for certified net-caught fish paid by the exporters to the collectors. I also mentioned that the Philippine peso has been devalued against the US dollar from 30 pesos to the dollar three years ago to over 50 pesos to the dollar today. The increased revenue in pesos from the devaluation is not being passed to the collectors by the exporters. Hence, it is not surprising to me that they are rebelling against the MAC.

The MAC (including Ferdinand Cruz) promised the collectors more money for their fish if they did everything required by the MAC Feasability Study and the CAMPs. Ferdinand did not incite them to be angry against the MAC. They have a right to be angry with the PFTEA and foreigners like Paul Holthus and Graham O'Geran (of IMS International) the MAC Certifier, who they believe lied to them. Foreigners and the PFTEA have always exploited them. Neither Ferdinand nor myself put them up to writing the letter of complaint on my desk sent ot Paul Holthus on December 23, 2002.

So who these collectors? They are the collectors from Palauig, Province of Zambales who were originally trained by the Haribon Foundation under the Netsman Project (that I helpled to set up with Haribon when I was the President of IMA-Canada-presently Ocean Voice International). They also are the collectors from Busuanga trained by IMA.

So Jaime it pains me to see you supporting the MAC and Lolita Ty to suppress the very collectors that were trained originally by Haribon and OVI. I am not doing this for any hidden reason. The reason is plain it is for social justice to help the net-collectors. Too bad, you are on the wrong side of the fence.

Sincerely,
Peter Rubec
International Marinelife Allliance
Authorized to speak on behalf of the Palauig Net Collectors
Authorized by Pedro Aguillon, Provincial Fisheries Officer Iba Zambales
 

Jaime Baquero

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Peter,

Please stop twisting things around. I am in the same side of the fence as you are. Two different personalities tackling the same issue. My approach is moderated I'm putting pressure where is needed . I need to see results and soon, if that is not the case my approach will be different. Please be sure of that. I am taking the extra time because is probably the last chance all those poor collectors in the Philippines have..

jaime
 

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