Industry Reform forum ?

[coralfarmin]

Is it possible to start another industry forum here thats specific to reformation of the industry?

 

[Anonymous]

Interesting idea. Start with a new thread first and see how it goes.

 

[Anonymous]

There's FAR more in this current forum on that subject, then any place on the net. I'm not sure making a new forum would be wise, it kinda discredits what has been done/said here and diverts the attention.

IMO people just need to learn to use the search function better

 

[coralfarmin]

just, so much non specific to the cause, and it is hard to sift thru,some people might not know what to search for if they are just interested in starting to learn about reformation imo.

 

[Anonymous]

The cause? Sure some other threads get posted in here, but 99.99% is on this very topic. So much so that some posters felt they needed to post other IBTH topics. I'm not so sure that having everything handed to those who are inept at using the search function is a good idea. It takes some brain power to use the search function, minimal, but some none the less. If one doesn't possess that, how could they begin to even understand this topic, let alone post meaningful posts. Many have come to this forum not knowing a thing, and from using the search function (both on individual posters and on subjects) they've become great contributers to this forum. The internet is HUGE and if one is going to be a member of the bandwidth using crowd, they need to start some place. I don't see how giving it to them on a silver platter will help them as much as if they had to seek it out. Pick a subject, and search it to it's fullest. Heck, I've used it thousands of times. I've searched member's posts even more. If you want to trty to figure some person out, what angle they have, etc, searching their posts is a great start. Had you done that, you'd have know Steve's history. You wouldn't have had to even use google, it's all here

 

[Kalkbreath]

What changes would you like to see in the industry?

 

[coralfarmin]

hey gresh,well enough

I'm not really try'n to figure individuals info here as much as organizations/individuals connections to them,imo I just think that with so much bickerin and finger pointing here, its hard for me know whats true and whats just bs,propoganda & acussations,as someone put it.btw...you should also take into account that people change, so the history/mindset they have today, might change tomorrow..ie they might not care today...then tomorrow,that might be all they can think about ,imo

ie..people angles/motives change,thats part of being human imo

so to be honest I never really thought how important reform was till recent,I tryed just lurking then I had some questions comments,not sure yet if that was a mistake or not

I'm not here to say oh...this organazation sucks and this one is like the worlds savior, this one is full of bs or this one is full of gospel I dont know"yet" I feel comfortable saying from what I have read here all the reef protectin organizations here have alot of possitive experiances,and alot of bad experiances that can be shared and used for the good of others in the future,but some dont even really want to post from what I read from them,since they will be attacked right away"imo" that leaves me hangin here...on just the in crowds input....I still have learned ALOT from them also...good and bad about them even
soely imo

 

[coralfarmin]

hey,kalk
I'm not sure what changes I wan't to see,since I have not been around long enough to know enough, about the industry reform and tactics used in reformation

imo,if you dont agree with everything a few here say,you get black balled imo

so the first reform, I'd like to see is,everyone respecting everyone,no matter how dumb they think they are or corupt they think they are,imo it seems to me, almost like a gang jump in initiation, to get into the click of info here if you have questions or comments,imo

imo,fact is, the idea I have won't work anyway,without everyone working together...so I guess it is a bad idea...just wanted a forum everyone could feel comfortable posting in with "no fear" and everyone be, receptive to being respective,so we could start with a clean slate of new fresh info..since so much is changing so fast anyway

I may want to shift gears on my business plan outline and try to market all reef friendly products one day,so having all reef protectin organizations communicating in a reef friendy manner in one spot would really help me learn and plan for the future,but some dont even really want to open up here imo due to the static they get,so the main dialog is from the same old click...over and over..and mainly about money and how others waste it imo,I'm in no hurry though so will just wait and see what happens in the future and try to learn all I can however I can.I think one on one communication between all established partys is best for my prespective though
all here is soely imo

 

[Anonymous]

If someone REALLY wanted to "learn" what's been going on, all they'd need to do is go to the first (last) page of this "forum" and start reading from the beginning. That's how I did it. Not a big freaking deal to sort threw either.

One thing I noticed almost right off the bat, was who would answer a direct question and who wouldn't. Dosen't take a rocket scientist to figure put who to believe on the different storys. If there is nothing to hide, then the questions would have been answered, and we could all move along.

 

[coralfarmin]

thanks for the input knowes, but dont feel like convicting anyone in my mind ,yet,based on just that tactic,I'd rather start over with a fresh new outlook

just all imo

 

[Anonymous]

What, forget the past sins, sorry, I'm not a bible beliver, I don't just wave off sins with a few words and wish for the best next time. I will not forget the past sins, thus I won't be doomed to repeat them

There is SOO much "behind the scenes" stuff going on and old history, I doubt you as an outsider will be privy to even a 1/4 of the thruth. Mission statements, pretty posts and hollow promises don't really mean much to me. I for one don't get advice from Live Aquaria, I also don't belive 99.99% of mission statements. I typically don't belive the "Iraqi Information Ministers" that certain NGO's and wholesalers send over here and to the public in general. They can fool the Nemo soccer moms, but not me. "He means well", now how does anyone know what some one actually feels? I thought Dave V. was a nice guy, I just didn't belive an single thing he told me though. "We are in controll of the airport", so whats with all the American GI's in it? Now what happenned last year to our house on the outer banks? Ah, who cares, lets rebuild We'll need sand, lots of sand.

Sally, you were one of the ones I spoke of in my last post FWIW, I did the very same thing my first week on this forum. I still go back and read old threads as there is some really good tidbits and some really damnding quotes.

CF, one thing you need to research, is funders. Link the troops with money. You'll see sides forming right there. Oh wait, you don't want to remember the past, never mind Now why did that building fall, or did it even?

 

[coralfarmin]

hey,gresh
you are always well spoken and not one of the ones I am refering to.
I respect your opinions...but dont think that dwelling on past mistakes will help anyone,they can change their plans and actions,and thats a fact imo
You are right since I am not in the clicks,I could never know what happens behind closed doors

and my opinions are nothin to do with religion,just human nature imo

 

[coralfarmin]

Heck dont rebuild your house at the outer banks gresh, go down to Hilton Head Island SC and build, there is even palm trees there, and more security to get into the subdivisions than at the airports :lol:

 

[Anonymous]

you can also go to wet web media and do a search there for 'mac'

some wonderful history there! :wink:

 

[Anonymous]

Ah, the Mac Attack Files

 

[coralfarmin]

we stayed out on the town to long last night ,so I dont feel like saying much, but what does this anti mac stuff got to do with a industry reform forum, this is exactly what I am talking about,they could contribute as well to reformation imo

 

[Anonymous]

Cf, that's the point! They (MAC) could have done so much already with all the money they've gotten and spent. But they haven't done much in the last 7 yrs. MAC could have gotten far more done with that money if they had tried to educate hobbiests, instead of what they've been doing, which hasn't been much. I personally don't believe people can change. If they do, it's usually for the worse.

There's a saying "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you." Ok, it's close enough for you to understand.

I'm not always the best "worded" person, but I do try to pick my words very carefully, so that I don't have to go back and explane what it was I meant.

"Say what you mean and Mean what you say".................it's a pretty simple concept.

 

[Anonymous]

Cf, that's the point! They (MAC) could have done so much already with all the money they've gotten and spent. But they haven't done much in the last 7 yrs. MAC could have gotten far more done with that money if they had tried to educate hobbiests, instead of what they've been doing, which hasn't been much. I personally don't believe people can change. If they do, it's usually for the worse.

There's a saying "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you." Ok, it's close enough for you to understand.

I'm not always the best "worded" person, but I do try to pick my words very carefully, so that I don't have to go back and explane what it was I meant.

"Say what you mean and Mean what you say".................it's a pretty simple concept.

Its "Fool me once, shame on you....fool me twice shame on me"

IE...you are stupid to be conned twice

 

[Anonymous]

we stayed out on the town to long last night ,so I dont feel like saying much, but what does this anti mac stuff got to do with a industry reform forum, this is exactly what I am talking about,they could contribute as well to reformation imo

mac's entire publicly stated mission was to reform the industry, in one way/venue or another - they've usurped millions of dollars under the (false) pretense of accomplish reform, and all they've really done is line their pockets w/the monies recieved, and blown alot of smoke up the industry's collective butt.

end of story

 

[Anonymous]

Cf, that's the point! They (MAC) could have done so much already with all the money they've gotten and spent. But they haven't done much in the last 7 yrs. MAC could have gotten far more done with that money if they had tried to educate hobbiests, instead of what they've been doing, which hasn't been much. I personally don't believe people can change. If they do, it's usually for the worse.

There's a saying "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you." Ok, it's close enough for you to understand.

I'm not always the best "worded" person, but I do try to pick my words very carefully, so that I don't have to go back and explane what it was I meant.

"Say what you mean and Mean what you say".................it's a pretty simple concept.

Its "Fool me once, shame on you....fool me twice shame on me"

IE...you are stupid to be conned twice

Aww........I knew I was getting it wrong! Not good with "quotes". But I like your anology better :wink: