save the greenbacks sale

[clarionreef]

Jobs available;
Environmentalists to Save the Greenbacks...
Google up;
SAVE THE GREENBACKS ..
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Steve
Warning;
Please be advised...that this is advertising of a message using popular eco-schtick as a come on....
It may be paint environmentally concerned people as silly, shallow and easily led, but it is a false announcement.
Repeat; a false announcement.
It was paid for and therefore OK.
Do not be angry...or stressed out or "gasp"....so gullible as to believe that the greenbacks are really endangered .

 

[clarionreef]

Environmentally Unconscious: Kia's "Save the Greenbacks" Campaign
Supposedly, Americans love the underdog. Maybe it's true for sports teams and movie heroes, but it doesn't appear to be the case for certain well-meaning underdog causes -- specifically, environmentalism and animal rights.

Despite the fact that activists are well-intentioned, poorly compensated (if they are compensated at all), and are battling self-interested opponents with exponentially greater resources, certain radio and cable-news loudmouths have made it fashionable to ridicule their efforts.

And so now we have a pair of commercials -- Kia's "Save the Greenbacks" campaign -- that effectively belittle these activists through parody. (It adds insult to injury that the spots are from a car-maker.)

As one blogger describes the ads:



The theme is, in my opinion, mocking the efforts of environmental groups trying to prevent the exploitation of wildlife and reserves ... People in the ad are running around, scooping up "Greenbacks" (dollar bills) to "save" them. One ad takes place in a frozen landscape (Alaska?) and another at the beach (whales?).

I logged onto kia.com and used their "Feedback" option (yesterday) to let them know how tasteless these ads are to me. Today I received a call from Kia Motors and was given an opportunity to lodge my complaint in more detail. I recommend similar action to others...

Throughout U.S. history, many activist groups were trashed mercilessly in their day -- only to emerge as heroes to later generations. Abolitionists come to mind; they were ridiculed and hated. Even Lincoln, their greatest ally among presidents, distanced himself from them until emancipation became inevitable.
Just as politicians distance themselves from environmentalists and animal rights activists today.

 

[Anonymous]

Jobs available;
Environmentalists to Save the Greenbacks...
Google up;
SAVE THE GREENBACKS ..
[Open the video inset and click in the upper right hand corner of the attachment once it opens]

Steve
Warning;
Please be advised...that this is advertising of a message using popular eco-schtick as a come on....
It may be paint environmentally concerned people as silly, shallow and easily led, but it is a false announcement.
Repeat; a false announcement.
It was paid for and therefore OK.
Do not be angry...or stressed out or "gasp"....so gullible as to believe that the greenbacks are really endangered .

Steve,

Please post links in the future. You might also want to use the quote feature because currently it is not possible to tell what you wrote and what others wrote in your second post.

There is a difference between parody and the false, anonymous event announcement you posted ( http://reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=109601 ) and reacted to as true.

I find you trying to pass it off a a joke to be bizarre and disingenuous. I find you trying to link the false announcement, posted not in parody but to be though of as real, with abolitionists to be even more so.

 

[Anonymous]

If you find the quote feature clunky, you can use the code as well

(quote) what your quoting (/quote)

Istead of using () use []. I didn't use those as I didn't want to activate the code

 

[Anonymous]

Environmentally Unconscious: Kia's "Save the Greenbacks" Campaign
animal rights.


Throughout U.S. history, many activist groups were trashed mercilessly in their day -- only to emerge as heroes to later generations. Abolitionists come to mind; they were ridiculed and hated. Even Lincoln, their greatest ally among presidents, distanced himself from them until emancipation became inevitable.
Just as politicians distance themselves from environmentalists and animal rights activists today.

Please explain how you justify comparing slavery to animal rights.

 

[Anonymous]

Environmentally Unconscious: Kia's "Save the Greenbacks" Campaign
animal rights.


Throughout U.S. history, many activist groups were trashed mercilessly in their day -- only to emerge as heroes to later generations. Abolitionists come to mind; they were ridiculed and hated. Even Lincoln, their greatest ally among presidents, distanced himself from them until emancipation became inevitable.
Just as politicians distance themselves from environmentalists and animal rights activists today.

Please explain how you justify comparing slavery to animal rights.

er-he's not comparing slavery to animal rights

he's comparing how the champions of noble causes are treated in their present vs their future, if i'm not mistaken

 

[Anonymous]

Its another one of those arguments that no one is having yet somehow someone thinks its happening.

 

[clarionreef]

The KIA Greenbacks sale ad ridicules environmentally concerned activists in a disturbing manner.

Perhaps consumers, especially resource consumers are growing weary of inconvenient environmentalists and ridiculing them as they did is now OK.
Its an argument that is suddenly very popular and is happening in activist forums.
Its an especially sensitive issue for people who have actually worked and sacrificed for environmental issues in real life.
Steve

 

[Anonymous]

No one here is having that argument.

 

[Anonymous]

No one here is having that argument.

We can if you want to, though. Which side would you like me to take?

 

[Anonymous]

:lol:

 

[Anonymous]

No one here is having that argument.

We can if you want to, though. Which side would you like me to take?

Both. Please try to be civil.

 

[bookfish]

Steve, are you saying that these "inconvenient environmentalists" are being ridiculed unfairly? When I think of the terms "environmentalists" and "environmental organizations", I think of NPO's like Greenpeace, WWF and a few others. Ordinarily I wouldn't consider even "sustainable" wild collection to be on their list of acceptable models. Do you label yourself an environmentalist? Am I missing the point (again!)?

 

[dizzy]

Steve, are you saying that these "inconvenient environmentalists" are being ridiculed unfairly? When I think of the terms "environmentalists" and "environmental organizations", I think of NPO's like Greenpeace, WWF and a few others. Ordinarily I wouldn't consider even "sustainable" wild collection to be on their list of acceptable models. Do you label yourself an environmentalist? Am I missing the point (again!)?

Jim if you are saying sustainable wild collection is not an acceptable business model to WWF you are backing up what Mary told me all those years ago. 8O

 

[bookfish]

Steve, are you saying that these "inconvenient environmentalists" are being ridiculed unfairly? When I think of the terms "environmentalists" and "environmental organizations", I think of NPO's like Greenpeace, WWF and a few others. Ordinarily I wouldn't consider even "sustainable" wild collection to be on their list of acceptable models. Do you label yourself an environmentalist? Am I missing the point (again!)?

Jim if you are saying sustainable wild collection is not an acceptable business model to WWF you are backing up what Mary told me all those years ago. 8O

No, I'm saying I wouldn't consider it to be on their list of acceptable models, but i could be wrong. I just spent 15 minutes at the WWF site and couldn't find a specific position on wild coral harvest. They seem to be very MPA-oriented which I think is good. Here's a project page from them.
http://worldwildlife.org/wildplaces/ss/results.cfm
I know they recognize that any responsible program that displaces peoples livelihoods would have to also address that displacement.

I also think that a truly "sustainable" wild harvest model (taking into account habitat destruction, point source pollution issues, use of reef structure for building etc...) would cut the ornamental trade in stony coral by quite a bit since there's only so much to go around and less every day.
In fact, just human population growth and the resulting impact on the health of coastal reef areas may mean that, with or without our industry, many reefs are not "sustainable" already.

 

[bookfish]

I've invited the WWF to chime in.

 

[Anonymous]

Which one? Hulk Hogan seems to be the poster child now

 

[dizzy]

Certified steroid free Friday Night Smackdowns. Now there's a concept that might sell. :wink: After that we can have a certified steroid free home run record.

 

[Anonymous]

Certified steroid free Friday Night Smackdowns. Now there's a concept that might sell. :wink: After that we can have a certified steroid free home run record.

Yah and then maybe nearly half of those 700+ pitches wouldn't have been thrown by pitchers on the same juice. Something like 300+ of the pitches he saw for those home runs where thrown by juiced out pitchers. Kinda sheds some light on just how pervasive juice is in the sport. People love to point out Barry like that but never point out the MAJOR use in the sport itself.

 

[clarionreef]

Jim writes;
"Steve, are you saying that these "inconvenient environmentalists" are being ridiculed unfairly?
When I think of the terms "environmentalists" and "environmental organizations", I think of NPO's like Greenpeace, WWF ..."

I don't.
I used to but I don't anymore.

As former California assemblyman Jesse Unruh said;
"Money is the mothers milk of politics"
The funding questions have become so central, so great and so critical that the new environmental groups are better at saving greenbacks now then saving anything else.
Using environmental problems to gain funding is not the same as using funding to solve problems.

A central theme of the past decade was that NGOs would influence businesses to become their better selves and shift them into more sustainable practices...rewarding them with a label that they would enable and procure.
What actually happened was that the businesses influenced the NGOs to become their tag alongs to maintain their own credibility and allow the illusion of progress and success. Standards were lowered to get the label and at times, even supplied for free.
Todays environmentalist doesn't like to blow the whistle on his new partners and he sure doesn't like it blown on him.
The original culprits are not even known anymore and remain cloaked behind their new agents of "PR and reform."

The time is right for new models and new groups to show the way.
Perhaps the scandals of the big eco-hogs will now make it possible for other, more talented, more effective groups to emerge and grow.
This actually appears to be underway.
Steve