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Of course Fenner is a huge supporter of the MO industry and an expert. Below he refers to fish that have "issues". He mentions 3 species that are still collected in Hawaii: Hawaiian Cleaner Wrasse, Achilles Tang, Moorish Idol. Others collected in Hawaii are listed on the AMDA list, as...

You shouldn't take things so personally. This is a forum about an industry - not about expert or talented aquarists who have great success, nor about the conscientious who don't buy animals that don't live. See: An Argument in Favor of the Regulation of the Marine Aquarium Hobby Contributed...

That's right, but here's where Bushnell and Claisse document that they can live at least 40 years: www.soest.hawaii.edu/SEAGRANT/communica ... 07/Egg.pdf And they reported 40.5 this January.

10 year old yellow tangs is good news and I'm glad to read that. But no one has been able to answer the question: what percentage of wild caught MO fish from Hawaii (or anywhere else) live longer than a year? For every one that made it to 10, how many died?

The industry depleted Yellow Tangs by 47% in the Tissot study. The Parrish and Claisse info is about mortality, life expectancy, etc.. I believe Jeremy Claisse is a huge supporter of the industry.

Here's a link to some of the Parrish and Claisse work on Yellow tang ages: http://www.nova.edu/ocean/cpce/parrish_ ... l_2005.pdf I believe the oldest one they've found so far was 40.5. Note the mean age of 11 years old in a couple of areas. In other areas, the mean age is 5 years. This is...

Here's one: "40% of species currently traded (worldwide) may not be suitable for the average aquarist." - Sadovy and Vincent 2002 Then see if this one resonates: http://www.spc.int/Coastfish/news/LRF/13/Rubec.pdf Here's Sadovy again, a scientist using the word........."unsuitable"...

Please stop calling me "Rene" or "Snorkelbob". You have no idea who I am and I have no intention of sharing that info. You hit the nail on the head with "do fine when given the proper handling and care". We all know that mortality rates with newbies are astronomical. Just because an...

OK, so if Hawaii's fish live longer, and so more than 1% are estimated to survive longer than a year, that would be good info to have. But until then, there are studies, reports, experts and "reformed" marine aquarists from all over the world that agree with the basic premise that wild caught...

You're kidding yourself if you think Hawaii residents don't value beautiful reef fish.

OK, I know this is hard to grasp, so I'll spell it out for you: A decade ago, Hawaii studies showed that AQUARIUM TARGETED SPECIES on the Big Island were down, as follows: Ornate Butterflyfish: -39% Achilles Tangs: -58% Forcepsfish: -54% Multiband Butterflyfish: -38% Fourspot Butterflyfish...

OK, so I'll repeat my question: what % of fish live longer than a year? Yellow tangs or otherwise. Show us the data. If you disagree with Fenner which is where we got that info, then show us the data, the experts who prove otherwise. If there are 700,000 marine aquariums in the U.S., and...

Because collecting targets and depletes the populations of the most beautiful fish on the reefs, thus diminishing the aesthetic value. No other "fishery" does that. When the bottomfish in Hawaii are overfished, the managers shut it down for months. No one even misses thier Opakapaka because...

OK, so what % live more than a year?

No, the previous number was just yellow tang losses. 20,345 was the total loss reported. The real number is expected to be 2 - 5 times higher according to state biologists and researchers.