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Worse game Santana has pitched in the majors.
Well I'll say it too then...
actually Danny Knobler said it better:
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/11845543
Boston's sweep of New York shows distance between teams.
BOSTON -- So now the Yankees can beat up on the beat-up Mets, and then the incredibly bad Nationals. Now maybe they can win another 19 of 25, maybe 22 of 25.
They can win and win and win, just as they did in all those games against the Rangers, Indians, Twins and Orioles that preceded this disaster of a series at Fenway.
Mark Teixeira, Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter and the Yankees can't seem to figure out the Red Sox this season. (Getty Images) They can give everyone in every one of those Legends seats a pie in the face -- is that worth $2,500? -- and hand out fake championship belts to the cheapskates who only pay $900 a night to see them.
And all we're going to be thinking about is 0-8.
The problem for the Yankees is we don't measure them against the Indians, and they don't measure themselves against the Orioles. There's one team in baseball we compare them to, and one team in baseball that now sets the standard they themselves are trying to match.
And the standings in that matchup look like this: 0-8.
? Red Sox 4, Yankees 3
"Our day is going to come," Johnny Damon promised late Thursday night, after the Red Sox won 4-3 in a CC Sabathia-Brad Penny matchup. "Our team's good enough, and we should be able to beat anybody on any given day."
Their team has been good enough so far to win 34 games. Their team looks good enough to get to the playoffs.
Their team doesn't look nearly as good as the Red Sox team that has now beaten them nine straight times dating to last season. The Yankees spent all that money last winter on Sabathia and A.J. Burnett and Mark Teixeira, and the opponent that matters most to them is still significantly better.
The Yankees beat the Red Sox in December. They haven't beaten them since.
"I'll take our team," manager Joe Girardi said. "I like our team -- and I'm sure [Red Sox manager Terry Francona] would say the same thing."
? Knobler: Yanks' patience with Wang makes sense
It's dangerous to judge teams over eight games (although we do it every October). It's dangerous to judge teams with more than half the season (and perhaps some July trades) still to come.
But through eight games of this season series, and through two months of this 2009 season, we already know quite a bit about the Yankees and Red Sox. And very little of what we know favors the New Yorkers.
Just think about what happened Thursday.
Girardi announced in the afternoon that Chien-Ming Wang, who has become his fifth starter, will start again next Wednesday -- despite a 14.34 ERA and a shocking total of just 13 1/3 innings in five starts.
The Red Sox, meanwhile, sent Penny to the mound for what could be one of his final starts, and watched him shut out the Yankees for six innings. This had two major benefits: It raised Penny's trade value at a time when the Sox have John Smoltz just about ready to join their rotation, and it set up the Sox for yet another big win over the Yanks.
It also allowed the Red Sox to show off one of the biggest differences between these teams. While Francona has multiple late-inning options in his bullpen -- all of them good ones -- Girardi still can't figure out what to do with the eighth inning.
Brad Penny shuts out the Yankees for six innings and adds five strikeouts. (Getty Images) The Red Sox bullpen actually faltered Thursday, with Manny Delcarmen following Penny and allowing the three seventh-inning runs that put the Yankees in front. But that only set up Boston's three-run, eighth-inning comeback.
Girardi sent Sabathia out to start the eighth, which made perfect sense. He warmed up closer Mariano Rivera, and said later he would have been willing to let Rivera try for a four-out save.
But when Sabathia allowed the first three batters to reach base, running his pitch count to a season-high 123, Girardi was stuck. Not wanting to ask Rivera for six outs ("The guy's coming off shoulder surgery," Girardi said), he turned to Alfredo Aceves, a one-time minor league free agent who began the year in the minor leagues.
So in the eighth inning, Francona can choose from Ramon Ramirez and Hideki Okajima and Takashi Saito and Justin Masterson and 100-mph-throwing youngster Daniel Bard. And in one of the more important games of the Yankees' season, they had Alfredo Aceves.
Yes, Brian Bruney is on the disabled list, and so is Damaso Marte. Add them in, and the bullpen comparison still favors Boston -- by a lot.
"This is the hand you're dealt," Girardi said. "We've won a lot of games with the options we have."
Sure they have. The Yankees have won six of nine games against the Orioles, and five of eight against the Indians, and four straight against the Twins.
And in the matchup they care most about, against the team they measure themselves against, they're 0-8.
Girardi can talk all he wants about the Yankees' failures with runners in scoring position (they were 1 for 11 on Thursday, and 2 for 27 in the three-game series). The rest of us can debate whether those failures, or the Yankees' mistakes on the bases and in the outfield, are a result of pressing in these games against the Red Sox.
But really, the question isn't so much whether the Yankees will get it in their heads that they can't beat the Red Sox. The question is whether we're all starting to see why the Red Sox are the better team.
It hardly matters that they might not be 0-8 better. History tells us that even season series between 100-win teams and 100-loss teams are that one-sided.
What does matter is that against the team that counts, the Yankees are coming off decidedly second-best.
They can't erase that, no matter how many times they beat the Mets and the Nationals.
actually Danny Knobler said it better:
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/11845543
Boston's sweep of New York shows distance between teams.
BOSTON -- So now the Yankees can beat up on the beat-up Mets, and then the incredibly bad Nationals. Now maybe they can win another 19 of 25, maybe 22 of 25.
They can win and win and win, just as they did in all those games against the Rangers, Indians, Twins and Orioles that preceded this disaster of a series at Fenway.
Mark Teixeira, Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter and the Yankees can't seem to figure out the Red Sox this season. (Getty Images) They can give everyone in every one of those Legends seats a pie in the face -- is that worth $2,500? -- and hand out fake championship belts to the cheapskates who only pay $900 a night to see them.
And all we're going to be thinking about is 0-8.
The problem for the Yankees is we don't measure them against the Indians, and they don't measure themselves against the Orioles. There's one team in baseball we compare them to, and one team in baseball that now sets the standard they themselves are trying to match.
And the standings in that matchup look like this: 0-8.
? Red Sox 4, Yankees 3
"Our day is going to come," Johnny Damon promised late Thursday night, after the Red Sox won 4-3 in a CC Sabathia-Brad Penny matchup. "Our team's good enough, and we should be able to beat anybody on any given day."
Their team has been good enough so far to win 34 games. Their team looks good enough to get to the playoffs.
Their team doesn't look nearly as good as the Red Sox team that has now beaten them nine straight times dating to last season. The Yankees spent all that money last winter on Sabathia and A.J. Burnett and Mark Teixeira, and the opponent that matters most to them is still significantly better.
The Yankees beat the Red Sox in December. They haven't beaten them since.
"I'll take our team," manager Joe Girardi said. "I like our team -- and I'm sure [Red Sox manager Terry Francona] would say the same thing."
? Knobler: Yanks' patience with Wang makes sense
It's dangerous to judge teams over eight games (although we do it every October). It's dangerous to judge teams with more than half the season (and perhaps some July trades) still to come.
But through eight games of this season series, and through two months of this 2009 season, we already know quite a bit about the Yankees and Red Sox. And very little of what we know favors the New Yorkers.
Just think about what happened Thursday.
Girardi announced in the afternoon that Chien-Ming Wang, who has become his fifth starter, will start again next Wednesday -- despite a 14.34 ERA and a shocking total of just 13 1/3 innings in five starts.
The Red Sox, meanwhile, sent Penny to the mound for what could be one of his final starts, and watched him shut out the Yankees for six innings. This had two major benefits: It raised Penny's trade value at a time when the Sox have John Smoltz just about ready to join their rotation, and it set up the Sox for yet another big win over the Yanks.
It also allowed the Red Sox to show off one of the biggest differences between these teams. While Francona has multiple late-inning options in his bullpen -- all of them good ones -- Girardi still can't figure out what to do with the eighth inning.
Brad Penny shuts out the Yankees for six innings and adds five strikeouts. (Getty Images) The Red Sox bullpen actually faltered Thursday, with Manny Delcarmen following Penny and allowing the three seventh-inning runs that put the Yankees in front. But that only set up Boston's three-run, eighth-inning comeback.
Girardi sent Sabathia out to start the eighth, which made perfect sense. He warmed up closer Mariano Rivera, and said later he would have been willing to let Rivera try for a four-out save.
But when Sabathia allowed the first three batters to reach base, running his pitch count to a season-high 123, Girardi was stuck. Not wanting to ask Rivera for six outs ("The guy's coming off shoulder surgery," Girardi said), he turned to Alfredo Aceves, a one-time minor league free agent who began the year in the minor leagues.
So in the eighth inning, Francona can choose from Ramon Ramirez and Hideki Okajima and Takashi Saito and Justin Masterson and 100-mph-throwing youngster Daniel Bard. And in one of the more important games of the Yankees' season, they had Alfredo Aceves.
Yes, Brian Bruney is on the disabled list, and so is Damaso Marte. Add them in, and the bullpen comparison still favors Boston -- by a lot.
"This is the hand you're dealt," Girardi said. "We've won a lot of games with the options we have."
Sure they have. The Yankees have won six of nine games against the Orioles, and five of eight against the Indians, and four straight against the Twins.
And in the matchup they care most about, against the team they measure themselves against, they're 0-8.
Girardi can talk all he wants about the Yankees' failures with runners in scoring position (they were 1 for 11 on Thursday, and 2 for 27 in the three-game series). The rest of us can debate whether those failures, or the Yankees' mistakes on the bases and in the outfield, are a result of pressing in these games against the Red Sox.
But really, the question isn't so much whether the Yankees will get it in their heads that they can't beat the Red Sox. The question is whether we're all starting to see why the Red Sox are the better team.
It hardly matters that they might not be 0-8 better. History tells us that even season series between 100-win teams and 100-loss teams are that one-sided.
What does matter is that against the team that counts, the Yankees are coming off decidedly second-best.
They can't erase that, no matter how many times they beat the Mets and the Nationals.
ok so the point of this story written by a biased reporter might i point out is:
yes that yanks got served by the red sox. but like we all know in baseball- siting 1989 when the dodgers were 1-8 against the mets- that doesnt mean anything during the season. its the post season that counts the most.
but like big papi once said when the yankees spanked them during the season 1 year- " the yanks, who cares about the yanks? we just want to make the playoffs. there are other teams other then the yanks that we have to beat. the whole season doesnt depend on whether we beat the yankees"
with that being said good teams have to beat the teams that they are suppose to beat. but to beat them 15-0 against there ace? that was 8 earned runs in 1 game for santana. OUCH! crazy
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I understand the article. But it says something that while the Yankees are 0 - 8 against the sawx, they are still only 2 games back. That means that the Red Sox are beating up on the yanks, but not everyone else. They play a lot more games against everyone else than the do against the Yankees.
They have 9 or 10 more games left head to head, the Red sox won't win everyone of them. I fully expect the Yankees to win at least half of the games left, if not more.
They have 9 or 10 more games left head to head, the Red sox won't win everyone of them. I fully expect the Yankees to win at least half of the games left, if not more.
yes hov but the mets fans can only bring up baston cause they cant say anything otherwise. like 2000:tongueani
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GO cincinnati reds :tongue1:
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Good point NYCMAT.
Oh can bring up a lot of stuff besides Boston.
Our ace, what about your "ace"
What about April 18? Where were all you guys then?
You all didn't prove anything. You stole one of Friday, Lost on Saturday, and the Nats could've beaten Santana on Sunday.
Oh and it was 1988.
Our ace, what about your "ace"
What about April 18? Where were all you guys then?
You all didn't prove anything. You stole one of Friday, Lost on Saturday, and the Nats could've beaten Santana on Sunday.
Oh and it was 1988.
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you guys won the world series in 1988?
We didn't steal anything on friday, you handed to us on a silver platter:tongue1:
We didn't steal anything on friday, you handed to us on a silver platter:tongue1:
reagarding aces- are you talking about the same ace as in santana that the mets fans bood off the field when he 1st played for them? guess ours was no better then yours. certainly not on after giving up 8 earned runs in how many innings? lol
we didnt prove anything? what games did you watch>? stole one? how does someone steal somthing other then a base and win? be real and admit it. by the ending score of 4-3 the mest lost. plain and simple. castillo choked and he is a player on the mets. hence they lost! nothing more about it. cant say the mets stole it from baston when buckner missed a routine grounder.
and yes we beat the mets on sunday. and there ace. so be it. thats not our fault. its the mets. series at present is 2-1 yankees.
well then try 89. its all the same and you know what im talking about anyway. lol
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