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jumpincactus

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Well I am really getting stoked. I am ready to purchase live rock and begin curing. I would like some opinions and experiences others have used curing their own rock. I have read that it is best done in a vessel other than the show tank. My tank is empty with no live stock. How many of you have cured your rock in the show tank and not in separate containers.

Can I do it in the main tank and skip the extra step.? Is this ok to do or am I looking at possible issues taking this route. Moe, Delbeek and Sprung all suggest using a separate area and then adding to maintank after curing 30 days or more.

All input is welcome.

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If you have no live stock currently in the tank then cure it in the tank. I did on my tanks and it is not a big deal. You should wait untill the LR is added prior to adding live stock. Check the water parameters as your guide since curing time can vary from tank to tank. The only time I would cure rock out of the tank is if I was adding LR to an established tank.
 

jumpincactus

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Wow thanks folks. Looks like I will go with a big rubbermaid trash can.

My issue right now is after visiting two of the LFS that deal with reefs in my town the LR they have is very barren looking. Almost no coralline at all. As I am perusing the online sources I am wondering do you actaully get rock that looks the way it looks on the storefront websites. I am really stressing on making a decision on who's rock to get. I need about 130 lbs and as you all know it aint cheap.

I need to know that what I am getting is going to be worth the expense. I do understand that with time the coralline will come but I just dont want to get burned by a sight unseen online purchase...........
 
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I would just cure the rock in the tank. Seems like extra work to set up a seperat container, add power head and get a skimmer.

I would have no problem ordering on line for live rock. Plan on doing that for the tank I am working on now. Many here can give good recs on places to order from. With the good dealers you can give them the general size and shape you are looking for and they will do their best to work with that.
 

jumpincactus

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What is the most porous types of live rock? What are the denser brands. In selecting I want to stay away from the denser types. Is Fiji type good and porous???

Also would appreciate folks that have recently purchsed LR online piping in and telling me about their quality and satisfaction of sale. Also to keep from talking about suppliers publicly please PM me and let me know where you think I will get the best deals from. I am going to need 130 plus lbs and want it to be really good looking rock ie: coralline and sizes and shapes.
 

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In general, the Pacific types (Fiji, Marshall, etc.) are usually less dense than the aquacultured Florida stuff.

I've ordered live rock from Premium Aquatics several times over the years and have always been satisfied with what I got. If you send PA an email or call them they are very helpful with specific questions. If you give them your tank dimensions they can pick out idea shapes/sizes for your tank too.
 

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I don't know too much about rock density and what not; but I can tell you what I have experienced.

Fiji is one of the densest rock out there and often it is oval shaped, it can therefore be a pain when it comes to aquascaping unless you are imaginative and willing to use a chisel.

I really like Pukani due to the shape and the about of holes in it. I got a 34ish lb box of dry Pukani from Premium Aquatics and it is getting live in my tank right now. Which might be a good way to start you tank depending on the size. Dry rock is so much cheaper than live; and you are less worried about reshaping it.

Kaelini rock i believe is similar to Fiji, but it has more edges to it and tends to be flater. I bought 48 lbs off ebay and though it was mostly dead when it arrived (shipping error on my part), it was a good size and filled a 125 nicely. The Kaelini table rock has a funnel tapered bottom with a nice flat top, good for show.

I believe i have quite a bit of Marshall Island rock, The pieces are quite dense; however, the shape makes as large as the other rock. Since there were once acropora and similar corals there are lots and lots of branches with the spaces inbetween.

I also bought some nice Tonga Branch rock for a nano; due to the shape, I feel tonga is really only best for sparcer tanks; unless you get some really massive pieces or glue them together. That is, of course, unless you like the pile of logs look.

In the end, I would say that you should try and get a couple of really nice diverse pieces to "seed" you less diverse rock. And going dry is great, especially when you plan on waiting a while before you get the tank actually set up or you just want to save money.

Oh, and online you can get the nice coriline covered rock you see in the pictures. It is a bit hit and miss though especially on e-bay (which i go to almost exclusivly for the prices since i am a poor college student).
 

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cindre2000

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Here is the rest of the pictures.
 

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ChrisRD

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cindre2000":1ba30h5y said:
Fiji is one of the densest rock out there...
I'd have to disagree with that statement and IMO that could be a misleading statement for newcomers.

Although there are always exceptions to the rule because density will vary from rock to rock, batch to batch, etc. in general most of the Pacific type rocks are not considered overly dense (all those posted above are Pacific types) as compared to common alternatives like the Florida aquacultured stuff. I would agree, however, that some of the other Pacific types (Marshall for example) are often slightly less dense than Fiji.

Nice pics/descriptions BTW. :wink:
 

cindre2000

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Well, i guess I should have said- from this list of pacific rock. :oops:

I actually do not have any experience with florida aqua culture; however, I do hope on getting some Tampa Bay Saltwater rock when I set up my show tank some day.

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I just noticed that you said you needed 130 lbs of live rock. Let me make a couple of suggestions baised on my experiences of online shopping and rock buying. Though I may still be relitivly new to the saltwater hobby, I have learned quite a bit.

Live rock as you have discovered can be quite expensive; especially for larger tanks. Locally I have found rock in in the Columbia, SC area hovers around 5-6 / lb if you buy at least 20 lbs; less than that it often jumps 1-3 / lb. I assume this is a national trend, but i may just be unlucky. Depending on the store, the rock may look really nice, or it may just have bacteria, truncates, some feather dusters, and no color. The store may have "show" rock with coraline algea for outragous prices. And though some store will let you buy whatever is in there tanks, a couple of stores will not let you buy rock from their livestock tanks.

Online, most stores sell their rock at 5-7 / lb after shipping; however, you do not get to select the rock or see the quality. This is were you are luckly if you live near the actual store or warehouse since you can get the cheap prices of online stores with out actual shipping :x . Unlike me.

Ebay is actually quite good for the purchasing of rock, there are usually two types of auctions. By the pound or there is a set amount. Either one can net you a great deal. Often the "by the pound" auctions have really low prices for their rock $2.15/lb to $2.99/lb and depending how close you are you can get about $1/lb shipping through UPS ground. If you shop around, you will also find some good deals with 45 lb boxes for $80ish before shipping. Just remember that boxes usually means that the rock has been sitting in the box for a long time. There is always some chance involved. I personally do not waste the money of 2 day or faster shipping since I do not know the quality of the rock which is were real online stores come into play.

Almost every online store that sells fish, sells rock. Of course some stores may be better than others and some stores speciallize in rock. Online store also tend to sell their rock for higher prices, or if they have low per pound price, you have to by it in 100 or more pound increments to get the deal. You just have to figure it out your self. Tampa Bay Saltwater for example has really expensive but really nice rock.

Now since you are just starting up the tank for the first time and need a large quantity of rock, I would make a couple of suggestions:

Buy Dry- If you purchase half or more of your base rock as dry, you save a lot of money often $1/lb or more, it also lets you splurge on your other rock. Since you will need to cycle your tank, it will also mean there is less rock that needs to be "cycled" even if it needs to grow its own bacteria and algae.

Buy Lots- Get all the rock you plan to have at once so that the rock and the shipping is cheaper.

Buy Nice- You will always regret it if you get rock you do not like. So get rock that you think you will like. This also means if you plan to buy dry rock, you should spend the extra money for really really nice and live seed rock.

Buy Uncured- You are just beginning the tank and uncured is cheaper, since you will have no livestock or an up and running tank it will not hurt you to cure the rock your self; and you never know extra goodies will be on it.

Good luck![/url]
 

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I think you'll find the stuff from TBS to be denser that what you've tried so far, but it should also be loaded with life as it doesn't spend the kind of time out of water that the Pacific rock does nor have such a long journey. Make sure to check it for Mantis Shrimp though. One of the downsides of having so much life on the rock is that you'll get lots of desirable stuff, but also possibly some not-so-desirables...
 

jumpincactus

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Thank you for all your input folks. I have just struck a deal where my LFS is going to be ordering in 400 lbs of Marshall and 300 lbs of fiji. Since they are a Mom and Pop store and fellow hobbyist's and are looking at developing customer loyalty they have agreed to let me hand pick all my pieces when their shipment hits.

And to make matters even better I have been oogling at several astounding show pieces in their invert tanks and they are going to let me have them at the same price. Now hows that for service :)

I am so excited I can feel the detritus dripplin out my *** LOL

Ya I am very pleased with this outcome. thank you all for teaching me first and foremost that in this game patience is what pays.

Will post pics of rock and tank when I get it all set up....
 

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