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Hi, guys! I have been growing macroalgae in a main display setting for a few years. In my experiences and hobbyist based researching, I have found a few things that I used to think were true about macros, but have basically turned out to be not my actual experience in my tanks.

Would any one be interested before I do any major typing?
 
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What "few things" do you mean?

That caulerpa is a good macro to keep in a display? :lol:

Crapulae is more like it when it comes to that stuff.. - Farging weeds says I!
 

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yes, please elaborate :) i dont like caulerpa either, i dont really like macroalgae in my display tank at all, only refugium.
 
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I would be interested Aerosmith, please post your comment.
 
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A bit o' background first?

This tank is a main display in my system, but it is more like a refugium that I can watch what is going on. I have 3 tanks built into a wall that are all plumbed to the same pump, so all tanks share the same water.

I am not suggesting that anyone put macroalgae in a display tank filled with slow growing corals, although I like the Halimeda species I have with my SPS specific tank.

So, since you mentioned Caulerpa, should i start with that genus? I think it really has a bad reputation in our hobby. Maybe because it is the most common available? It really is a fast grower, which is nice in my situation. I am able to feed a lot of large fish and still keep NO3, PO4 levels low.

OK, Fact of Fiction:

"Caulerpa species will suddenly die, releasing nutrients quickly into your tank that raise the ammonia, nitrite, nitrate levels and all sensitive corals and fish suffer...."
 
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Aerosmith":1fm1oypb said:
OK, Fact of Fiction:

"Caulerpa species will suddenly die, releasing nutrients quickly into your tank that raise the ammonia, nitrite, nitrate levels and all sensitive corals and fish suffer...."
Hmmmmmmm... - Feels kinda like a trick test question.

I don't know about raising ANN levels per sae, but yeah, many of them do suddenly "go sexual" and they certainly stress tank inhabitants when they do. - That stress might only be a physical indication of annoyance or mild irritation, but it is stress none the less.


Heres one back to you:
What fish do you have that are feeding on caulerpas?
 
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"Caulerpa species will suddenly die, releasing nutrients quickly into your tank that raise the ammonia, nitrite, nitrate levels and all sensitive corals and fish suffer...."

Replace "will" with "can" and you're closer to fact.
 

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i woke up one morning to find my 55 looking like milk and the caulerpa white, you can keep it, i like the cheato so much better and it makes a heck of a mechincal filter if you run your drain line though it instead of the poly foam blocks etc :) and if you get bored its like a brillo pad to scrape the glass
 
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Post already. What's with the making us drag the info out of you routine already?! :P :?
 
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fishinsouthga":17olq8j9 said:
i woke up one morning to find my 55 looking like milk and the caulerpa white, you can keep it, i like the cheato so much better and it makes a heck of a mechincal filter if you run your drain line though it instead of the poly foam blocks etc :) and if you get bored its like a brillo pad to scrape the glass

I've had that happen as well...caulerpa is EVIL PURE EVIL ;)
 
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"Caulerpa species will suddenly die, releasing nutrients quickly into your tank that raise the ammonia, nitrite, nitrate levels and all sensitive corals and fish suffer....

Ok, so we all agree that this is fact?

First, I think we all might agree that any organism that dies in a closed environment and is not removed before it decomposes will cause a change in that environment. When we read a thread where this has happened in someone's tank, we need to consider the amount of mass involved compared to amount of volume of the tank? Consider a small anemone fish expiring in a 120 tank. Then, think of the difference with a large puffer in a 45 gallon system?

With Caulerpa species, many let it grow until it is a very large mass in it's enclosed system. When it dies, problems occur...

Is it just the decomposing tissue that causes the problem or does the alga release some toxin that adds to the problem?

What causes the organism to die? I think it could be multi-factorial, but in my system, I have always been able to trace it to a nutrient deficiency. When I first started collecting different species of algae, I found a really cool C. peltata: A gorgeous lime green color and a growth pattern that stayed low. I used it as a foreground plant and it covered around 1/3 of the front substrate. I noticed one day (after this tank had ran for quite a long time and had incredible growth rates) around an inch of this alga turn white. I did not think much of it, the thing was growing like a weed so any part that died would easily be replaced, right? Wrong! The next day the entire colony was white, decomposed and gone forever. Remember, this tank is just part of a 250 gallon system, so it was very small mass in total. I did have lots of other algae that could absorb the ammonia so the only tragedy I experienced was losing the species....

But, I had been testing the system and was able to watch the NO3 level go to undetectable levels.

So, I also believe that the above statement is fact, except for the word "suddenly". I had levels of zero NO3 for quite while before it died. I think it actually starved a slow death?

The cool thing I have learned about Caulerpa species is that they do warn me before they die, allowing me ample time to correct the deficiency before I lose any more specimens.

How can this relate to a reef type tank with a macro filled sump? It is a great species for anyone with a high NO3 level, to bring those levels quickly down, but once they do, they need to be harvested way down or replaced completely with slower growing (and slower consuming alga).

But, for those who also have a high PO4 level, it is possible to manipulate the elements to bring it down too.....

That is just one species, though. I have found really interesting things about other species. I now have around 30 species, a few different genera. Which would you think is the one I can't grow? Actually a very common one....
 
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There is very few hard facts in this hobby, and that bolded statement certainly is not one of them.

Caulerpa is associated with a class of chemical called caulerprin. It will release into your tank if it dies. Is it bad? Not really. I have a whole tank goes "sexual" on me on several occusions, and dies within matter of 8 or 12 hours. Everything is fine in the tank. Good skimmer, yes. Good circulation, yes. Maybe they helped.

As always, YMMV. :)
 
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I am not sure that it only releases it's toxin when it dies. When I first started encouraging algae to grow, I had a very large colony of turquoise Hydnopora. After quite a few months (years? I really wish I had kept a log of sorts), it started to die off. I started to run carbon at that time, now I run it continuously. That sexy beast still hasn't recovered to where it was...I don't know if it was the toxin or not, but since I've been running AC continuously, I have had not other issues. Could be coincidence, I know...

I forgot a few more Caulerpa experiences:

In my planted tank, I try to have a few of the same species in different parts of the aquascape. And, sometimes when I am pruning it, I will pinch an alga to keep it in one spot. So, I often have a few colonies of the same species in the tank. The last few times I've let a alga die off, it is only the one colony, not the entire species.

When I've heard of someone having their algae go sexual, it is usually a large massive colony that triggers an undesirable outcome. I wonder if people let the alga grow to say 10 inches max, then started a new colony, if that would enable them to utilize this fast growing species to decrease high NO3/PO4 levels?[/i]
 

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