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Jaime Baquero

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The easiest consideration would be " The government knows who is importing cyanide for the industry's use", wouldn'd be easy to tight control around those industries? sounds too easy. I imagine that there is a BIG business within the PI and IN and neighboring countries to supply "middlemen" with cyanide.

45% + is really bad. Yes, it is for food fish. The readings for aquarium fish should probably be around that % .

How could the ornamentals industry, overseas, put pressure on fish suppliers in the PI and IN to make them realize that we are not going to keep playing the game?

Jaime
 

PeterIMA

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Blue Hula, Each cyanide tablet weighs about 20 mg. So, if 500 kilograms is multiplied by 1000 one gets 500,000 mg. That is equivalent to 25,000 cyanide tablets. On average I estimated that each fisherman uses 4 tablets per squirt bottle (ranges from 3-5 tablets, sometimes as many as 7). So, 25,000 cyanid tablets could be used about 6,000 times to catch groupers for the live food fish trade. The average percent postive for food fishes that I reported on was 44%, which is very close to the 45% figure quoted in the newpaper article. This compares to an average of 25% for aquarium fishes. I can send out the paper published in Marine Ornamentals Collection, Culture, and Conservation earlier this year to those who want the information. I do agree that many grouper species are targeted with cyanide some were found to be as high as 88% of specimens containing cyanide in their tissue.

Of course now that BFAR controls the CDT laboratories we can expect the levels reported "postive" to decline. More on that later.

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blue hula3

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And I only asked half the question Peter ...
And how many squirt bottles per day / fishing trip

Thanks for the specifics already. Sure is nice when numbers match, eh? (44% vs 45%)

cheers, Blue
 

PeterIMA

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Blue Hula, So you really are Canadian, eh?

I just attended the GAP Analysis Conference in Ft. Collins, Colorado which pertains to a national program in the USA to assess biodiversity nationwide. It involves remote sensing and GIS to map species richness and define the "gaps" in our knowledge about species distributions. It was organized by the US Geological Survey (USGS) and the US Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS). I presented a paper at the aquatic gap session.

Now if we can just save the diversity of coral reefs, eh?

Peter
 

blue hula3

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card carrying canuck ...

how is the gap analysis for knowledge of marine systems in the US?

lots of gaps? scary if so 'cause you guys have thrown a reasonable amount of splash at surveys, mapping etc.

does the analysis include consideration of contributions from programs like Reefcheck or MAQTRAC?

in the interests of expressing my canadian soul and in rejection of the cricket season which has justed started here (sigh), I will sign off with a fervently felt

"GO HABS GO"

Blue hula
 

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Blue Hula,

You are right to state that the US has put a lot of effort into GAP Analyses nationwide over the last decade. I was impressed to see that most states have assessed species richness and conducting mapping programs for most states in the country associated with "Terrestrial GAP".
Terrestrial gap involves the use of remote sensing to map vegetation patterns, and human use zones (eg. cities). This is followed by creation of databases that record species occurrences (presence) associated with various habitats or vegetation patterns. The Heritage program associated with The Nature Conservancy (TNC) played a big role. The Heritage program left the TNC and now is called NatureServe. They have developed a Ecoystem Classification scheme. The USGS has the Biological Resources Division (BRD) which has its own staff doing GAP Analyses and also contracting various universities, NGOs like NatureServe, and state agencies. Terrestial GAP now is at the EcoRegion level, and is being redone to ensure consistency acrsoss states.

Aquatic Gap is still in a number of pilot programs. Scott Sowa is the MoRAP coordinator for Missouri. A number of states are now following Missouri's lead and mapping fish, clams, crayfish according to stream segments using the National Hydrographic Database (NHD) stream segments. This can allow species occurrences to be mapped by NHD polygons in a GIS.

Sophisticated models have been developed to predict species occurrences where the habitat conditions are known (digital terrain, soil types, vegetation, water temperatures etc). The GAP program has done a good job. It remains to be seen whether governments will buy up land in the areas idendified as having species in need of protection or having high species richness. The meeting signaled a new parnership and cooperation between USGS and the USFWS. GAP staff are being asked to assist USFWS with mapping species associated with the USFWS Reserve System.
Overall, I got a better idea of a national strategy coming into place to map distributions and protect common species "keeping common species common" that is being spearheaded by USGS in collaboration with other agencies, NGOs etc. to support ecosystem management. To gain a full understanding of what is going on one should look at the the web sites for GAP Analysis, and associated with the National Biological Inventory (NBII).

The NBII is creating a network of centers to serve species information and spatial (GIS) coverages nationwide.

With regard to marine GAP this is still in its infancy. So far, there is little being done in the marine environment through the GAP sponsored programs. They gave one grant to a group in Hawaii that is mapping species from the headwaters of streams down to and into the nearshore marine environment. The Great Lakes GAP group is working on tributary steams and rivers, and parts of Lake Ontario and Lake Erie nearshore. The have representatives from USGS labs spread from New York to Michigan to do the program covering New York, Ohio, and Michigan. They expressed interest in obtaining the software for standardizing fish catch rates and for modeling and mapping species in ArcGIS that my group has developed for modeling estuaries at the Florida Marine Research Institute of FWC.

Peter Rubec
 

PeterIMA

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Blue Hula,

You are right to state that the US has put a lot of effort into GAP Analyses nationwide over the last decade. I was impressed to see that most states have assessed species richness and conducted mapping programs for most states in the country associated with "Terrestrial GAP".
Terrestrial gap involves the use of remote sensing to map vegetation patterns, and human use zones (eg. cities). This is followed by creation of databases that record species occurrences (presence) associated with various habitats or vegetation patterns. The Heritage program associated with The Nature Conservancy (TNC) played a big role. The Heritage program left the TNC and now is called NatureServe. They have developed an Ecoystem Classification scheme. The USGS has the Biological Resources Division (BRD) which has its own staff doing GAP Analyses and also contracting various universities, NGOs like NatureServe, and state agencies. Terrestial GAP now is at the EcoRegion level, and is being redone to ensure consistency across states.

Aquatic Gap has a number of pilot programs. Scott Sowa is the MoRAP coordinator for Missouri. A number of states are now following Missouri's lead and mapping fish, clams, crayfish according to stream segments using the National Hydrographic Database (NHD) stream segments. This can allow species occurrences to be mapped by NHD polygons in a GIS.

Sophisticated models have been developed to predict species occurrences where the habitat conditions are known (digital terrain, soil types, vegetation, water temperatures etc). The GAP program has done a good job. It remains to be seen whether governments will buy up land in the areas idendified as having species in need of protection or having high species richness. The meeting signaled a new partnership and cooperation between USGS and the USFWS. GAP staff are being asked to assist USFWS with mapping species associated with the USFWS Reserve System.
Overall, I got a better idea of a national strategy coming into place to map distributions and protect common species "keeping common species common" that is being spearheaded by USGS in collaboration with other agencies, NGOs etc. to support ecosystem management. To gain a full understanding of what is going on one should look at the the web sites for GAP Analysis, and associated with the National Biological Inventory (NBII).

The NBII is creating a network of centers to serve species information and spatial (GIS) coverages nationwide.

With regard to marine GAP this is still in its infancy. So far, there is little being done in the marine environment through the GAP sponsored programs. They gave one grant to a group in Hawaii that is mapping species from the headwaters of streams down to and into the nearshore marine environment. The Great Lakes GAP group is working on tributary steams and rivers, and parts of Lake Ontario and Lake Erie nearshore. The have representatives from USGS labs spread from New York to Michigan to do the program covering New York, Ohio, and Michigan. They expressed interest in obtaining the software for standardizing fish catch rates and for modeling and mapping species in ArcGIS that my group has developed for modeling estuaries at the Florida Marine Research Institute of FWC.

Peter Rubec
 

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