China to lend $33M to Phillipines for fish-port project

[Anonymous]

http://www.manilatimes.net/national/200 ... 7bus8.html


China to lend $33M for fish-port project

By Roderick T. dela Cruz , Reporter

THE Chinese government has agreed to extend a $33-million loan for the development of a modern fish port with processing facilities in Palawan, Agriculture Secretary Arthur C. Yap said Monday.

At a news briefing, Yap, who accompanied President Arroyo in her China visit, said China’s state-owned Camce Co. expressed its intent to bankroll the loan facility soon.

The President, he said, instructed Director Malcolm Sarmiento of the Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources and Gov. Joel Reyes of Palawan to follow the proposed project through.

At the same time, Yap announced that he and Chinese Agriculture Minister Du Qinglin signed a memorandum of understanding that seeks to establish the Philippines-China Joint Fisheries Commission.

Yap said the agreement outlines a framework for talks concerning the joint use, conservation management and transit convenience provisions for Chinese fishing vessels bound for the Pacific.

“Both sides discussed mutual interest in the conservation management of fisheries resources in the China Sea,” he said.

Yap said the commission will give the Chinese and Philippine governments an opportunity to thresh out sensitive issues including Chinese fishers being caught poaching in Philippine waters.

“We will pursue these talks with the view that substantial agreement will be in place in time for the visit by President Hu Jintao in Manila for the 30th anniversary of Philippine-China relations in 2005,” he said.

China is the fifth and the fastest-growing trading partner of the Philippines. Data from the National Statistics Office show that bilateral trade between the two countries grew by 52 percent to $3.959 billion in 2003 from $2.608 million in 2002.

 

[Kalkbreath]

I sea they have found a way to replace the US MO industry already. Add another 4 billion people being fed by the Philippine reefs....... :wink:

 

[Anonymous]

Someone forward this announcement to Mister Case and tell him to leave us the hell alone.

Peace,

Chip

 

[Anonymous]

Wait a damn minute here people... - Where does this say it has anything to do with the ornamentals trade?

My guess is its not about it at all.. - Its probably about the food fish industry.

My other guess is that it does not bode well for the reduction of cyanide use for food fish in the PI area anytime soon.

 

[Anonymous]

Wait a damn minute here people... - Where does this say it has anything to do with the ornamentals trade?

My guess is its not about it at all.. - Its probably about the food fish industry.

My other guess is that it does not bode well for the reduction of cyanide use for food fish in the PI area anytime soon.

ding ding ding !!!! :wink:

 

[clarionreef]

This is a tragic development.
Kinda like the aborted attempt by Japan to build roads and port infrastructure in Peru to relocate the Amazon rainforest to Japan.
To send the fish of the Philippines last marine frontier [as they call it] to Chinas burgeoning billion is an indication of where the governments mindset is. This is pure, short term cash infusion and assumes there are resources to last and sustain themselves under the assault.
What the fish trade in ornamnetals does will pale next to what will be done in the name of looting Palawan for the Chinese.
They will leave no coral head unturned and will buy off anyone/thing in their way.
Director of the Bureau of Fisheries Sarmiento...will do as instructed as this is a political thing and science and sustainability be damned. He will not stand against them and he wants to retire peacefully anyway.
Philippine biologists are not known for standing up in protest and will not forfiet their jobs to do this.
The hardest critcism of Philippine fisheries mal-practice has come from the outside as the inside is tame, compliant and captive bred.
Jorge notwithstanding and a few more...Philippine marine biologists could show a little more backbone and patriotism. Afterall, it is their country.
And some thought that managing a nations fisheries was to feed people....right; just not their people.
In the future the Chinese will need all the fish in the sea...The Philippines will be their ***** for awhile, until depleted and ruined and then they'll move on.
Steve

 

[Anonymous]

maybe naesco can threaten china w/the lacey act

 

[Anonymous]

:lol:

:?

 

[clarionreef]

GOODNESS,
BFAR ROLLS OVER FOR ANYONE IT SEEMS.
All the effort and debate would be moot if only the Philippine government would show more governance and less penchant for handouts, begging and 'anything for a quick buck' mentality.
They allow $100. of reef to die for every $10. they make...and call it a deal.
I think Philippine politicians are the most guilty of all and are primarily focused on their terms, their retirements, their pensions, their income and tip-toeing from crisis to crisis to protect their butts.
Allowing foreigners to take over so much has put them in a special category. One where they tacitly admit that incompetent foreign schemes are NOT at odds with their own corrupt ones.
No one calls the kettle black in this " we're all dirty so lets have a [party syndrome"].
Perhaps all the assistants and programs we promote just make them more dependant, more shiftless and less prone to take charge them selves. This gives the Anglos a sense that they are helping to run a country's fisheries as the country's fisheries people just smile and say under their breath..."Right Joe, just so long as you bring some money with you."
Steve
PS, Letting Philippine fisheries off the hook has been a side effect of all this "reform biz' it appears.
In the meanwhile, Manila is preparing for a "Marinelife Resource sale of the century to irresponsible Chinese business interests that dwarf our own irresponsible business interests"!

 

[Anonymous]

even the possible tactic of witholding economic aid to the phillipines from our end as a 'last ditch' type of incentive/pressure to increase conservation efforts is now moot, now that china is emerging as a new 'sugah daddy'


china is also beginning to create other economic 'blocs' on it's own w/other 'allies', that have no u.s. involvement



the real 'giant' is beginning to awaken, and it will make the u.s.'s rise to superpowerdom during/after WWII pale in comparison

hope you all have a good english/chinese chinese/english dictionary around, it will be this country's 2nd language by the time y'all have grandkids :wink:

 

[JT]

maybe naesco can threaten china w/the lacey act

CR Naesco.

 

[Len]

jt, vitz: stop. I'm keeping it simple.

 

[clarionreef]

Egads,
...AND THE NEW CHINA EVEN PAYS LESS ATTENTION AND LIP SERVICE TO THE ENVIRONMENT AS WE DO...
The real damage will accelerate exponentially as both food and live food fish trades will loot the place.
Surveys and cerifications will be purchased IF they have to.
No scratch that... since its China...they wont.
Steve

 

[Anonymous]

len..

the only reason i wrote this-

maybe naesco can threaten china w/the lacey act

is that it's a logical extension of this:

John as we do our part to deal with sustainable issue, the CDT, and training and other programmes, it is nice to see post like this one that shows the criminals are getting caught.
If we charged one or two of them here under the Lacey Act, it would be bring everyone else in line.

i don't understand what's offensive, or derogatory, here

naesco seems to think that the u.s. can go charge foriegners under the lacey act, and incarcerate them- i was merely suggesting he try the same tactic w/the chinese that he suggests w/the fillipinos :?

 

[Len]

Understood. I just read a bit of mockery in your suggestion.

 

[Anonymous]

Understood. I just read a bit of mockery in your suggestion.

Maybe it's because what Naesco suggests is ludicrous?

:?

Peace,

Chip

 

[horge]

Sandali lang, po.

Ang ugnayan ng mga pamahalaan ng Tsina at ng Pilipinas ukol sa pangingisda ay hindi nagbibigay sa mga Tsino ng karapatang pangingisda sa loob ng teritoryo ng Pilipinas. Merong lawak ng dagat na ina-ako ng Pilipinas at ng Tsina: at dito matatagpuan ang mga pulong Spratly. Dito nagaganap ang maraming paninira sa kalikasan, sa ngalan ng pangingisda.

Ang layunin ng Pilpinas ay magkaroon ng maayos na pamamaraan para maisa-tama ang sari-saring pag-labag sa batas ng Tsina at Pilipinas ng maraming mga intsik (at ilan-ilang din na Pilipino) na mangingisda. Ang Philippines-China Joint Fisheries Commission ang nina-nais na paraan.

Alam ninyo, nagpatayo kasi ng mga gusaling pang-himagsikan ang Tsina sa ilang pulo ng 'Spratly', at ito ay nagiging ugat ng di-pagka-unawaan sa pagitan ng Tsina at ng Pilipinas: bilang pang-pa-lubag-loob sa Pilipinas, matagal nang nag-aalok ang Tsina ng sari-saring tulong, katulad nitong pa-utang na $33 milyon.

Kung maparami ang pag-angkat ng Tsina ng mga isda at iba pang yamang-dagat mula sa Pilipinas, dulot nitong $33 Milyong pagpapa-tayo sa Palawan, hindi naman kahulugan na lalawak ang pagla-lason ng dagat. Sa pagkaka-alam ko, lampas 99% (sa bigat) ng isdang napupuntang Tsina mula s Pilipinas ay isdang-laot, na nahuhuli sa pamamagitan ng mga lambat.

Maaaring makabuti sa ating layunin itong bagong 'fish port' na ito:

Isang halimbawa lamang: kung lahat ng ipaadalang isda sa Tsina ay dito lamang sa bagong 'fishing port' maa-aring dumaan, mas madaling mabantayan at makita kung ang isda ay nahuli sa pamamagitan ng lason. Lahat ng barkong mahuli ng PCG at PN sa laot na may dalang isdang patungong Tsina na walang tatak mula sa 'fish port' ay mai-tuturing kontrabando.


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Hold on, folks.

This agreement between the governments of China and the Philippines regarding fisheries does not give fishing rights to Chinese nationals within all Philippine waters. There is however a stretch of sea being claimed by both the Philippines and China: this is where one finds the 'Spratly' islands. This area is where a great number of environmental abuses are commited in the name of fishing/fish-collection.

The Philippines simply wants a proper mechanism and juridical venue for addressing the many crimes against both Chinese and Philippine environmental law, commited in this disputed area by a great number of Chinese (and quite a number of Filipino) fishermen. The Philippines-China Joint Fisheries Commission is what is hoped to be the answer.

You might know, China built a number of military structures on several Spratly islands and reefs. This is a source of great irritation between the Philippines and China. As consolement, the Chinese have long been offering many development loans like this $33 Million mentioned.

Even if China's fish imports from the Philippines increase as a result of this $33 Million project, it does not mean that poisoning of Philipine reefs will increase. IIRC, over 99% (by weight) of fish exports to China have been of open-water, schooling foodfish, which are caught by means of large nets.

This new 'fish port' may even be useful to our cause.

Just one example how: If all fish exports to China were to be restricted to this fish port, then monitoring/testing for cyanide abuse may be simplfied. All fish found on vessels bound for China, without clearance from the new fish port, may then be deemed smuggled goods by the PCG and PN.



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Maybe my point here is: sometimes, translation is needed,
to properly understand what foreigners are saying.

Of course, what Steve fears could very easily come into being.
Easily, since BS walks the world over.



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[Kalkbreath]

Your pretending that there will be enough open water fish to support the Chinese increased demands. There is a greater chance that China will take all your open water fish stocks leaving little to none for the native people of PI. Then an increase in municipal water fishing will be needed just to feed the islanders and this is what will place the addition strain on the reef zone fish stocks..............the real threat is that China will take all your open water fish and the natives of PI will be forced to get the table fish from else where........ie. the municipal waters. Also , Why do you feel that China has no interest in increasing live food fish imports ? China has about the same size live fish market as Japan , but China is increasing its consumption yearly as the average China man increases his spending abilities, a result of Chinese industrial growth .

 

[Kalkbreath]

double post