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MaryHM

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Been out of town since Thursday, and here is my opinion.

1. John was personal about the whole thing. He only singled out 2 people. 2 people's business policies specifically. By either not including everyone on this forum that claims to have net-caught only fish or by not just making a general statement, he made it personal.

2. Later down that thread he called me a hypocrite. There was absolutely no reason for saying that. NONE. Especially since what he was calling me hypocritical for had already been addressed in the post right above his. After this was pointed out by me, I sure didn't see any retraction of that statement. I would call that a personal attack. I understand the sense of humor that is used on this board by many people, and he was not joking in the least.

3. When Fosters & Smith's public policies were questioned, rdo threw a fit. Are only sponsors protected? If you don't throw money at rdo then you're fair game? Sounds like an absolute double standard to me.

4. I can't even believe someone suggested that we don't even use organization names. When an organization is partially funded by my tax dollars and that same organization asks for donations, then they are fair game. They are not a business. How ridiculous to even suggest otherwise.

5. If rdo doesn't think it was a personal attack, then why has it taken a week for you guys to sort it out? If it's not a mess, then what took so long? If it's not a problem, then why even start this thread??


For the record, as stated before, I don't mind discussing my business. I do mind being called a hypocrite for absolutely no reason. I do mind that Jenn was unfairly dragged into it. And you better believe that I do mind John not being called to task over his role in the whole mess. How in the world could some people (rdo staff) blame me for the Foster's and Smith thing but leave this unchecked?? That debacle wasn't anywhere near my fault, yet I still made a phone call and apologized to them. I've checked my messages- none from John or anyone at rdo. DOUBLE STANDARD. It's sickening. And I have a feeling that if John had singled out one of the sponsors, like spawner did a few months back, that this would be an entirely different matter. I'm ashamed of rdo and ashamed of what has been allowed to happen to the forum I worked so hard on for over a year. :(
 

MaryHM

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It's been stated a couple of times in here that rdo has lost sponsors because of this forum. I'm dying to know who, because the only sponsors who have been alluded to directly or indirectly here are Marine Depot and the Drs. The sponsor page shows they're still here. So, who are they?
 

jamesw

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Hi Everyone,

Very good feedback so far - please keep it coming. We are interested in hearing from others who are interested.

For what it's worth - Mary resigned her moderatorship. We have a new moderator now with a different and unique style all his own. It's certainly different, but it isn't any better or worse - just different. Just like when the country elects a new president or an aquarium club gets a new board of directors - the past president (or moderator in this case) has to accept the fact that the ship that they steered so safely and well has a new captain now. It's easy to lob accusations at the new administration and to say "I would have done things this way, not that way," but in the longrun, it only hurts the organization as a whole. We would sincerely hope that it's not the former moderator's goal to hurt reefs.org.

We believe that the level of dialog and activity in this forum has been EXCELLENT - with more activity and more members popping up every day. We have seen Ferdinand Cruz sign up, Chip Barber, Tim Tessier, etc. In addition, Horge is back (welcome back Horge!).

I take 100% of the blame for not orienting John better and arming his with the thick skin and "moderating tools" necessary to do his job well. I have been looking for a new job and this has taken me all over the place this last month - San Diego, San Francisco, Louisiana, and most recently, Trinidad and Tobago. I just haven't had the time to do my job and for this I apologize. Like wade said, we all got together for an allignment meeting last week and we think that things will run much smoother in the future. If you all want someone to blame for what you think is a wrong against you or your organization - them I will take 100% of it. Please email or private message me if you'd like to talk. I'm even going to go out on a limb and give out my home number - 713-426-1595 - just please don't call me at 2am - I'm on Central Time.

Sincerely,
James Wiseman

Naturally, we are very thankful to Mary for helping start this forum and make it what is now.
 

MaryHM

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It's been stated a couple of times in here that rdo has lost sponsors because of this forum. I'm dying to know who, because the only sponsors who have been alluded to directly or indirectly here are Marine Depot and the Drs. The sponsor page shows they're still here. So, who are they?

Care to answer, James? One problem in this forum is that when someone asks a question as of late, they are either blatantly ignored or answered with a rude comment. That gets tiring.
 

MaryHM

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For what it's worth - Mary resigned her moderatorship. We have a new moderator now with a different and unique style all his own. It's certainly different, but it isn't any better or worse - just different. Just like when the country elects a new president or an aquarium club gets a new board of directors - the past president (or moderator in this case) has to accept the fact that the ship that they steered so safely and well has a new captain now. It's easy to lob accusations at the new administration and to say "I would have done things this way, not that way," but in the longrun, it only hurts the organization as a whole. We would sincerely hope that it's not the former moderator's goal to hurt reefs.org.

James, you have got to be kidding. Seriously. I have accepted the fact that John is the moderator. Not my first choice, but I have continued to post in the forum the same way I always have. I have not said once "I would have done it this way and John is wrong for not doing it like I would have". NOT ONCE. Don't even dare to accuse me of that. I am just offended by the fact that rdo has decided John's behavior is a non-issue. It sets a poor precedent. I'm not the one hurting rdo- you guys are.
 

jamesw

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Mary,

How do you know that we haven't done exactly what you want - kick John out of his moderator position, demand that he apologize to you and anyone else who feels was slighted, and then sent him packing?

How do you know? Has John continued with his "obnoxious behavior" or late? How do you know I didn't personally put him over my knee and spank his bare bottom? How about throwing me a bone here. How about innocent until proven guilty? This is me, chucker, microchip, liquid, len, wade, chaotic_reefer, bill2 you're talking about remember?

We had a "board meeting" on Thursday night to resolve all of this and by golly, we have resolved it. The posts in this thread are just a continuation of the pettiness - and are utterly useless - the only point they serve, in my opinion is to keep people pissed off.

You know which sponsor we lost because of all of this Mary.

Sincerely,
James Wiseman
 

MaryHM

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James,

I have refrained up until this point of making my comments on the matter public in this forum. I was waiting for rdo to do their thing. While I was gone, this thread was started. Here's a quote from Len:

We really want to get back to constructive discussions about the industry and put this behind us after we've addressed all your concerns.

I wasn't being petty like you suggested. I was voicing my concerns so they could be addressed- just like Len suggested. Not so you could make more accusations against me (that I want John gone, that I am saying John should do things my way). For the record, I have openly said both in this forum and during talks with several rdo moderators that I do NOT want John to quit being moderator. I know you are aware of this, so to say otherwise is just plain silly. All I want is for him to admit that dragging Jenn into this was wrong and an apology for calling me a hypocrite. I don't think that's too much to ask. I have told him before that I will treat him with respect if he does likewise. I've yet to see that effort on his part, in fact just the contrary.

As far as which sponsor you lost, at this point I will assume you mean me. That really had nothing to do with this forum specifically, James. I have made it clear to other moderators why I discontinued sponsorship. So if you do mean me, I don't appreciate you using me as an example of "lost sponsors" in this forum. Especially when you take it out of context.
 

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