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clarionreef

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...experts?...
caught that also.
Talk about demeaning a term.
Steve
PS.
My old partner in Mexico used to call them "spurts"...cause they would spew in the boats during surveys all the time.
To this day, we refer to them as 'spurts'.
 

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naesco":2kfqw2nd said:
Thank you for your post. Feel free to take on the issue of the food fishery and the use of cyanide. I will deal with the end of its use in the MO industry.

The foolishness is the lack of understanding that as we speak OUR industry is damaging the reefs by the use of cyanide. This must end.

There are issues in getting the proposed levies to those who will take the responsibility to use that money to restore the reefs. I will leave that to the experts in training, sustainability etc.

You miss the fact taht their is a relationship between the industries. ANd in so missing that point supporet policies that may do more harm to the reefs than good. Sure it will be a different industry doing the harm, but the harm will still be done.

The MO industry is the best reason many of those locals have to care even a little bit. And by removing it, you remove the need to care at all.

Congratulations, you propose to save your conscience at the expense of the reefs.

If there were no relationship between the two industries you'd be right on, but in teh real world that's not the case.

Those guys doing some harm to the reef will mainly revert to doing more harm to the reef. So the harm isn't done in the name of the MO industry? So what? The harm is still done. I care about the reefs in general, not in the damage the MO industry is doing. You apparently only caree if the damage can come back to haunt your conscience as opposed to actually caring to limit the damage done to the reef.

If the MO damage ceases, and the other damage increses by more than that reduction due to this sort of policy, what have you accomplished other than making yourself feel like you've helped, when in reality you've sped up the damage.

And if you make too drastic a change to the MO industry and willy-nilly ban stuff due to not proposing any real alternative (and this bill isn't a decent alternative it's too vague for that) that's just what you've probably accomplished. You've boosted reef damage so that you can claim to no be involved with the damage. End result = faster reef damage and killing one of the industries taht boosts interest in teh reefs so even fewer peoplewill care.

Apparently in you're little world everything is nicely compartmentalized, unfortunately, that's not real life.

This sort of problem has to be solved from the supply side, there are too many intermediate steps to fix it anywhere else. Attempts to do so will only result in damage to everything, the industry, the hobby, and the reefs themselves.

SHORT VERSION:
The solution you seem so happy to back will likely cause *more* damage to the reefs than the "problem" it is the solution for. The only thing "saved" will be the consciences of a few conscientious people (liek yourself) who haven't thought the full process out, and the bankrolls of bueracratic organizations. I'd rather save the reefs, thanks.
 

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SHORT VERSION:
The solution you seem so happy to back will likely cause *more* damage to the reefs than the "problem" it is the solution for. The only thing "saved" will be the consciences of a few conscientious people (liek yourself) who haven't thought the full process out, and the bankrolls of bueracratic organizations. I'd rather save the reefs, thanks
Thanks for the short version.
With respect you have fourty posts and you say I have not thought the full process out?

Why would you think closure of the cyanide trade would cause more damage than cyanide itself.
Here is what you need to know. Monies and education will be provided for net training and net caught fish will be allowed entry into the US with a CDT programme in place. Now if you were a fisher what would you do.
You would switch to net, right.
In addition there would probably be a safety net allowing those fishers who are awaiting their turn at training funds to tide them over until trainers are available.
I believe there would be opportunitites at sustainability programmes and reef repair. (maybe growing frags and restoring the reefs) This is not my area. Let the experts comment.

Now if you were a fisher what would you do. Continue the destruction or prepare for the future? By the way I have been to the Philippines and saw the damage done by cyanide fishers.
 
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naesco":3cob36hu said:
SHORT VERSION:
The solution you seem so happy to back will likely cause *more* damage to the reefs than the "problem" it is the solution for. The only thing "saved" will be the consciences of a few conscientious people (liek yourself) who haven't thought the full process out, and the bankrolls of bueracratic organizations. I'd rather save the reefs, thanks
Thanks for the short version.
With respect you have fourty posts and you say I have not thought the full process out?

this is how you show respect, by linking the value of an opinion to the amount of posts? in that case, bow before ME, you NOOOB!!! :twisted:


Why would you think closure of the cyanide trade would cause more damage than cyanide itself.
Here is what you need to know. Monies and education will be provided for net training and net caught fish will be allowed entry into the US with a CDT programme in place. Now if you were a fisher what would you do.
You would switch to net, right.
In addition there would probably be a safety net allowing those fishers who are awaiting their turn at training funds to tide them over until trainers are available.
I believe there would be opportunitites at sustainability programmes and reef repair. (maybe growing frags and restoring the reefs) This is not my area. Let the experts comment.

Now if you were a fisher what would you do. Continue the destruction or prepare for the future? By the way I have been to the Philippines and saw the damage done by cyanide fishers.
 

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