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Triple R

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I might start a local habitat tank soon. I think i will go kinda small with a 20gallon tank. and If anyone can tell me about how much money will i need to spend on for the tank and appliances
 

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You may need a chiller depending on the room it is in, I know domboski recommends at most 70 degrees.

What are you planning on specifically?pipefish and horses?
 

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Hi Triple R,

It is hard to say. Search the forum for setting up a marine tank. In addition to what you'll find there, you'll need to have a chiller to keep the temp down below 70. The only local species I can think of that you can keep happy in a 20 gallon would be grass shrimp (big time jumpers), a few long clawed hermit crabs, a naked goby or two, mud snails (assuming you have a sand bed) and maybe a couple of minnow type fish (mummichogs, stickle back, etc).

You sent me a PM about pipefish (sorry I didn't get back to you) but you wouldn't be able to keep them in a 20 gallon. They require rock work but also a lot of open space and a sand bed. They like to hide and hunt in the rocks but they also like to bury themselves into the sand in the open areas to hunt. In fact, most of their hunting tends to be out on the open sand bed rather than the rocks. Considering the size of the pipefish and their needs and the size of a 20 gallon tank, it would be difficult to provide them with the proper habitat. If you are no longer interested in the pipefish, disregard what I wrote :).
 

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but yea my friends tank is around 80 degrees and has local pipefish hermit crabs and snails and me and him cought about a 2" baby pipefish and its also in there. they been there for about 3 weaks living fine
 

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but yea my friends tank is around 80 degrees and has local pipefish hermit crabs and snails and me and him cought about a 2" baby pipefish and its also in there. they been there for about 3 weaks living fine


I'm sorry to hear this..... They will live for a month or two and then die at that temperature. They will die earlier if they starve. The higher temps increases their metabolism and lessens their lifespan. What are you feeding the 2" pipefish? The snails will be fine assuming they are mud snails but the hermits and pipefish will die in temps greater than 70 degrees in 1-3 months. That is a lot of wasted effort and also a waste of life IMO. I'm not lecturing you I'm just giving you the proper care requirements :).

If your friend wants to keep them happy and long term he/she should lower the temp to 70 degrees. The easiest way to do that is get a chiller. Also, keeping them at 70 degrees or a little less will prompt mating.
 

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Ok. If they are eating frozen brine they will probably except frozen mysis which is more nutritious. I'd also recommend soaking the frozen food in a vitamin once a week like Selcon. You could also feed frozen brine shrimp enriched with omega 3.

If they are only eating live brine (adult form) that will only last a while before they start wasting away from lack of nutrition. I think you can "gut load" live adult brine but I am not sure how since I have no experience with it.

If the 2" pipefish is eating frozen brine that is great to hear but I highly doubt it. I'd buy a brine shrimp hatchery (they are cheap) and add baby brine shrimp to the tank every day to be sure the 2" pipefish eats. You could also order live mysis and amphipods from here: Sachs Aquaculture.
 

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