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Bdubbya

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I am looking for a reliable supplier of sps corals. Most of our suppliers we currently have don't have a wide variety of sps. I am looking for unique pieces that are aquacultured or wild colonies. I am looking for LOTS of color. I've got so much blue tipped stags and assorted montipora that my frags have turned into colonies in the store, so I would like a little more variety.
Thanks for any help.
 

JennM

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Hi Bdubbya, Welcome to RDO and the Industry forum.

I'll answer this as tactfully as I can... last time I tried to answer a similar question (see thread "reputable wholesalers") I think I was misconstrued, but if you can wade through the defensiveness you might understand...

It's not that we don't want to be helpful "in general" but many of us are a bit protective of our livestock suppliers. There are only so many specimens to go around, and even fewer "cherry", "rare" or "sought after" ones, so we aren't as apt to tell you where to find the unusual stuff because that lessens our own chances of being able to buy it when it becomes available.

You'll find lots of help on other topics... and you can get general suggestions of wholesalers - 104th street in LA is loaded with them...

ORA cultures some interesting frags... beyond that I don't dabble much in SPS as they aren't big sellers for me - I trade frags with customers, that's my main SPS supply.

Cheers,
Jenn
 

clarionreef

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Well put Jenn,
Its amazing how difficult it is for most to understand what you said...even after reading it several times.

One of a king items are not sold...they are awarded...
Steve
 

Bdubbya

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Yeah, after posting this thread I scrolled down a bit and saw the thread. I completely understand where you are coming from. I actually tried to delete this thread, but couldn't figure it out. It is pretty fierce compitition out here as far as sps goes. I'm always looking to get the upper hand. Thanks
 

JennM

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Glad you understand :)

I'm more curious about what "sells" SPS... I have plenty of montis, and a few others, no acros at the moment... but I find I don't have a big market for them. My colleague, about 20 miles south of me, seems to have an abundant market for them... is it a niche thing, a regional thing?

Personally I don't have enough people interested in them to bend over backwards to get the hard to find SPS stuff. I can sell a ton of Euphyllia sp. all day long... if I carried 'em they'd probably eat up Cataphyllia and Goniopora too, but given their iffy survival rates, I don't bring them in - but most of my clients seem to like polyp motion. Could also be that my main (personal) display is mostly LPS and softies....

I'd appreciate your thoughts on that?!

Jenn
 

Bdubbya

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Well, it's hard to say why some things work better in some areas and not another. I think part of it is that we have a reputation of having some of the healthiest organisms, as well as a knowledgeable, and honest staff. There are quite a few irrisponsible stores in the area.

Maybe it's because we're in the midwest and so far from the ocean. I think it's a natural progression to go to sps. At least for me, I'm always looking for a challenge once I've got something figured out. I will soon be doing propagation and have toyed with the idea of breeding some fish species as well, but I will just take it a step at a time. What sells SPS, is just having the right person at the right time see that thing they have to have. I have pretty good luck with most everything selling, of course some things go better than others.

Good luck and thanks. :)
 

JennM

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At last... a meaty discussion that doesn't involve an NGO :)

Let me ask you this then... I consider myself a reasonably knowledgable and honest store -- I don't just bag it up with out testing your water, asking questions... so by virtue of the fact that many/most don't have enough or appropriate light or water flow to be successful with many SPS, I don't sell many. Montipora seems to do well in many different conditions so I sell a bit of that... but I've got it growing like a weed in the interim as it sits in my store... :)

I'm not presuming to know what others do in my area but I did have a conversation once with a former store owner (store has since been sold), but his philosophy was "don't ask, don't tell". If somebody came into his shop and asked his opinion, he'd give an informed one, but if somebody came in, pointed to that and said, "Bag it up!" who is he to question them? He came under fire in a public forum because another customer overheard him talking to someone about the 6-gallon Nemo/Dory setup he had sold them... and he got flamed to a crisp for selling a P. hepatus into a 6-gallon tank. His reply is, "That is what the customer wanted, who am I to question that?"... I take a different approach, if somebody wants a blue fish for a 6 gallon, perhaps a nice little yellow tailed damsel will be Dory-like enough for the 3-year old it was purchased for... IF mom or dad is willing to look after it.... but I digess.

In theory, that type of retailer might sell more SPS (or Goniopora or Mandarin Dragonets or Moorish Idols... you get the picture) but does that make them "better"? Or more to the point, does having a "better" supply or more variety, make for a better retailer? Depends on the clientele, I think.

I'm not suggesting that you or anybody sells organisms that stand little or no chance of survival to "just anyone", I'm just questioning the style of selling the store uses, versus the amount and types of organisms that the stores are selling, compared to my own experiences in my own shop.

In my experience, it's a minority of hobbyists willing to spend the money and/or the time (DIY time) to set up an adequate environment to keep some of the more challenging organisms. Many would gladly spend $100 on an unusual coral but balk at the $35 book on how to care for it - ditto with fish. They will cut corners on their setup - no sump, just a canister filter, and whatever lights are on sale. Who sells canister filters for saltwater tanks??? Apparently lots do because I've had to explain more times than I can remember, WHY we don't recommend canisters except for occasional water polishing OR for freshwater planted tanks... I've learned that this type of client isn't a long-term client if they aren't encouraged to pay attention to details. This is the type of hobbyist that becomes an attrition statistic... they go gung-ho on exotic and expensive stuff, fail miserably with it, and in 6 months their half-evaporated, green tank is up on eBay for 1/3 of what it's worth. IMO this is a tragedy, not only for the hobbyist who spent a ton of money and time on a wasted effort, but especially for the organisms they killed out of ignorance.

There are few things as beautiful as a properly-done, healthy and thriving SPS tank... thankfully for the amount of exceptional specimens in the trade, there aren't a huge proportion of hobbyists geared to such an endeavour. I think we owe it to those hobbyists and to the animals we keep, to make sure that those precious specimens at least stand a good chance of survival and propagation by selling them into appropriate environments. A Tri-colour Acro will still turn brown if it's not in appropriate light. A pink Pocillipora meandrina will still turn brown... a Seriatopora will still recede if it doesn't have enough flow to get through all of the tendrils of the "bird nest"... perhaps it's just me but I'd have a hard time bagging up something if I knew it was going to look like sh&t in a few weeks, or surely be dead shortly after that... but that's just me. Doesn't make for a great bottom line but I can look myself in the mirror in the morning and thusfar, customers keep coming back because they appreciate the honesty. Am I a minority? I wonder sometimes... especially when a frustrated new customer comes in and tells me his/her tale of woe and death about what they have failed with before they arrive in my place. As consumers, they are ultimately responsible for the purchases they make, so I don't lay blame on stores/etailers, but sometimes I wonder what the seller was thinking if the knew where the animal was going when they sold it.

As for me, most of my customers are into LPS and soft corals... Frogspawns, Hammers, Colts, Mushrooms... big market for pretty Zoanthids lately, which are easy to propagate and share ;)

Again, your feedback is eagerly anticipated!

Cheers,
Jenn
 

coralfarmin

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if you have a direct flight from lax I can let you know a good transshipper that lists almost every sps there is ,but their cites are gone now till september for hard corals.

email me if you want a link
 

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