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schmunkel98

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Hey Everyone,

I received 2 Octopus Bimaculatus from MarineDepotLive.com three days ago. They made the trip successfully and were transferred to my tank without and problems. I have a 135 gallon reef ready tank with 8 blue damsels, 7 turbo grazer snails, 30 hermit crabs, and 4 peppermint shrimp. I have not seen the octopuses for three days now, and I fear that they may be dead. None of the shrimp, snails, or fish have disappeared, and the crabs are too hard to count. Has anyone had experience with adding new octopuses to an aquarium? Please let me know.

Thanks,

Mike
 

chrisritson

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all your crabs and shrimp will be gone shortly, and i am not shure with that spiecies, but they very often fight. ive had trouble whith octopus and reefs together. ive got one large one in a 125 gallon sudo-reef tank and he is very happy. he did get some of the fish i was sure he wouldnt though. they also might be hideing, it sometimes takes days untill they are comfertable enought to come out. good luck, octopus are the most interesting creatures ive ever met (next to most humans)
 

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I've kept octopus in the past, and you cannot keep 2 in the same tank. They will kill each other, and do so almost immediately. In nature, they will fight against each other, and then the one that is losing will speed off in a jet of ink. You are risking your entire reef by putting octopus into it. First, the ink is toxic to the reef environment. In nature, it dissipates quickly, so there are no ill effects. In your tank, it appears to dissipate, but it stays in your system and cause problems. Second, the octopus will eat everything that moves, fish, snails, crabs, shrimp. If it moves, it's dead. Also, as was already said, have you looked on the floor? Octopus will climb out of your tank, and if that's the only escape, it has already happened. Also, the dominant one probably followed the loser out of the tank. My guess is they're both dead, either in your tank, or out of it. If they just went and hid, which they might have done as they are very shy to begin with, then you could be in luck, you might still have them in your tank (if you've had a night pass, my guess is they're dead), as I had one that didn't come out for almost a week, and then it only came out to eat fiddler crabs and then disappeared again. However, if it is in your tank, good luck finding it. Not only are octopus smart, but they can squeeze into almost anything, including tiny holes in your live rock, and also, they burrow under the substrate as well. Not meaning to lecture you, but did you ask any questions before you bought an octopus? They are best kept in sealed tanks with no way to get out (I had a very fine strainer on a drilled tank overflow, and I siliconed my glass hood onto the top of the tank, and my return went through a small hole drilled in the hood, sump had a ton of carbon in it to filter out any ink, and other half of the hood was weighted down by the light). Also, I hope if one is still alive, you have food for it. You need to buy live foods for the most part, because it is difficult to train them to eat dead or prepared foods. By the way, I've also seen octopus eating flame scallops, so if you have clams, they're vulnerable too, even though they really don't move. Good luck, and you should call marine depot live and yell at them for selling you 2 octopi without the requisite knowledge required to keep them.
 

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I have heard they are scociable animals form a couple of reliable sources, maybe thats just relative to a singular species?? Or does your recomendation apply to all species???

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Mike, I was looking at your web page and noticed that there is not much L/R in your tank that the Octopuses could be hiding in. I would say that if you can't find them then they are probably not in your tank any longer like Dan said.
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schmunkel98

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davelin315:

I did do a great amount of research before buying the octos for my tank. It has been weighed down on the top with weights and every opening(like the returns from the sump) has had a mesh convering attached. I doubt they made it out of the tank. They are a lot smaller than what I first expected, only about 6" from arm to arm. I saw a tentacle last night, so they may still be in there. I just hope they make it and manage to come out in the daytime when their cofindence builds.

Mike
 

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I would second the lack of rock opinion, they do like to hide a lot, but at the same time, if you want to display your octopi, you want it to have one or 2 hiding places, and that's it, otherwise you may never see it. I don't know if you've also covered the overflow strainers with mesh, but that's a perfect place for your octopi to escape as well. Also, even if you have, they are not averse to climbing up out of the water and over things, so if your overflow doesn't reach to the top of your tank, they might have crawled over it. Didn't mean to imply any insult, I just think that marinedepot screwed you by selling you 2 octopi to put into one tank. To address Mouse's question, I don't know of any species of octopus that you can keep more than one of together. Certain squid and cuttlefish and nautilus can be kept together, but out of the cephalapods, I don't think there are any octopi that can be kept together. Even different species will fight, and an octopus will attack pretty much anything that moves, like I said before.

If you did spot a tentacle, I think you're on your way to having nothing else in your tank. The problem with most octopi is that they are nocturnal, and training one to come out and do stuff in the daytime is difficult. The species that are active during the day get too large for the home aquarium. I think the blue ring is also a day creature, but it's also very very very lethal. I had one years ago that I only saw a couple of times, and it died after 2 weeks. It came by accident instead of what I ordered, and when it died, I was so paranoid about the neurotoxins that I drained all the water out of the system and replaced it, just in case it had released its toxins into the water.

Anyway, if you do find one, there are a couple of places on the internet that sell bulk fiddler crabs which can be a good food for it. They also sell various saltwater shrimp as feeders, and also silversides (although they come as frye). I placed my first order with one of these places today, and should receive some mysis shrimp tommorrow. However, the mysis are probably too small for an octopus to bother with, although if it's hungry, it'll eat them.

Again, hope it's alive, and good luck. If by some chance you have both alive, seperate them. I would consider buying those oceanic cricket cages (look like tiny lizard lounges) and submerging them into your tank and housing an octopus in each until you figure out what you are going to do. Also, put them on opposite sides of the tank so they don't ink at each other. A cheaper alternative is a critter carrier (those little plastic habitats with the mesh tops).
 

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Go but some fiddler crabs and put them in a small jar in front of the octopus' den (not sealed of course). The octopus will eventually come out to peek and crawl into the jar for a meal. This might also help to acclimate it to being out during daylight. If it's not gone by the end of the day, just leave it, the octopus will learn by feeding at night that the jar means food, and you can eventually get it out during the day (hopefully).
 

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by davelin315:
<strong>Go but some fiddler crabs and put them in a small jar in front of the octopus' den (not sealed of course). The octopus will eventually come out to peek and crawl into the jar for a meal.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually, you can get the plastic snap on lid type of jar. Don't seal the lid all the way, and observe how smart your octopi are. Its neat to watch them figuring out how to get to the crab in the jar!
 

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I like the idea of them trying to figure out how to get at the fiddler crabs. Where is a good source to get them? I don't think my LFS has anything but the hermit crabs. Any chance that the fiddler's would be too big? If I can't find live ones, would frozen work? Also, I put up some pictures of them on my web site.

Mike
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The live ones most certainly can trigger feeding response. You probably won't be seeing mail-order places selling "feeder crabs". But you will have to actally call their sales department to find out if they carry them. I know that most carry either fiddler or the "feeder crab", but not posted for sale on the web. The only way is to call them and find out.

As for the frozen ones, I don't know if your octopi liked them. Maybe try that when they are REALLY hungry and has already finished all their neighbors off. I used to have a octopus and I feed live ghost shrimps. I have also tried mussel meat, silverside, and feeder guppy. Of all the above, his favorite alternative food is the silverside, then feeder guppy, then the dead meats.
 

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Hey Davelin315, you mentioned some places on the internet that sell bulk fiddlers, etc. Can you please list the links. I'm very interested. TIA
 

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davelin315:

I don't have mesh on the overflow strainers, but I have checked my sump and the spill-over sections to make sure one of them wan't in there. I managed to see one of the octos poking out from his den last night. I coaxed some of the hermit crabs his way in the hopes that he would grab one. I think I scared him, but he snatched a hermit crab and went under the live rock formation. Should I try to spear a shrimp or something and put it in front of him? I can't manage to get the live shrimp over to his side of the tank. The little buggers can move when they want to. I just hope I can figure out a way to feed him without freaking him out. Should I try to offer food in this same way during the day? I think most of the people I have talked to have had larger octopuses, or they have no rocks in their tanks and only sand and pvc. I wanted a more natural look for my octopus tank, and the rocks do give them plenty of places to hide and feel secure.

Let me know,

Mike
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I wouldn't make it work for food quite yet. I would give it a chance to recuperate from it's journey to you, and leave an open jar in there. That way it doesn't have to expend a lot of energy at first. However, if you put a shrimp in there, it will swim out. Your octopus might solve the problem of the jar, but give it some easy meals for now, and when it becomes more acclimated and not as fearful of you, then you can start to give it puzzles. Fiddler crabs in bulk on the net, as well as shrimp.
 

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Hey gang,

I put one of my peppermint shrimp in a glass container with the lid mostly on in front of his den. I hope he sees it. How many days should I leave the guy in there? I will check on him in the morning and see if my octos got the idea. I might switch them out or even put out 2 containers, a shrimp in each of them.

Mike
 

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