Randy's Improved 2-part recipe - Page 3

spykes · 02-05-2006, 11:28 PM

heheh lee your right about that, the new 3rd part is not ionicly balance, but it's to offset the sulfide buildup.

Cloud1921 · 02-05-2006, 11:38 PM

Alvin! you're getting my name wrong here lol.
Yeah, Picked up a nice rhodactis on friday.

The extra sodium ion is probably a result of the combustion.
If H2O and CO2 are leaving, where else can it be coming from other than the the breakdown of baking soda.

As for MgCl, isn't it MgCl2? Mg is a 2+ cation, no?
If considering the excess chloride, I'm guessing it also takes part with sodium ion, but correct me if I'm wrong, it can also be hydrated. Futhermore, there are also other ions present in solution, i.e. potassium.

spykes · 02-05-2006, 11:42 PM

it's MgCL2

noodleman · 02-05-2006, 11:46 PM

sorry chris. Yes its Mg2+, but still the Cl- ion outnumber the Na+. The formula on the two part site states: 2 NaHCO3 = Na2CO3 + H2O + CO2 so basically you end up wit half the amount of sodium bicarb. So if you use washing soda you only need half the amount.

Hey spykes, if its to offset the sulfates, why not just use magnessium chloride entirely and not the eposion salts? Where exactly are the sulfates entering?

Cloud1921 · 02-06-2006, 12:02 AM

np dude.

Just checked up on the formula there, he claims that the formula has a balance by accounting an excess 12% by weight Mg/Na.

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	After adding 594 grams of baking soda (1 gallon of Recipe #1), we will have added 163 grams of sodium. In natural seawater, magnesium is present at about 12.0% of the sodium concentration (by weight). In order to match the magnesium additions to the sodium additions to leave them in a natural ratio, we need to add 12% of 163 grams, or 19.5 grams, of magnesium for every gallon of the two-part additive that we add.

As I mentioned earlier, he also speaks of how potassium in the dowflake contributes to the residual ions.

noodleman · 02-06-2006, 12:06 AM

must read on about this improved two part business. Guess we'll havea ncie long convo in the lab tomorrow...lol

Tonyscoots84 · 02-06-2006, 04:15 AM

anyone got a easier way of making this.... lolz would be greatly appreciated

:sigh1:

**Deanos** · 02-06-2006, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tonyscoots84


	anyone got a easier way of making this

Yes...go buy this: ESV's B-Ionic. You just add RO/DI water, which you're very familiar with

SlamaJama · 02-06-2006, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Deanos


	Yes...go buy this: ESV's B-Ionic. You just add RO/DI water, which you're very familiar with

im 43 yrs old way past this ion stuff...lol...b-ionic is perfect, or ill just scam some from D..lol

kimoyo · 02-06-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Tonyscoots84


	anyone got a easier way of making this.... lolz would be greatly appreciated :sigh1:

You talking about the baking soda part when mixing it with water and its gets hard as a rock.

02-05-2006, 11:28 PM	#21
spykes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 2,821 Reefer Ratings: (19) Friends: (0)	heheh lee your right about that, the new 3rd part is not ionicly balance, but it's to offset the sulfide buildup. __________________ Understanding and reading is one of the best instrument we humans have, use it and become a higher being, ignorance is not bliss I grow my corals out of baking soda and icemelt =D

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Cloud1921 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 318 Reefer Ratings: (31) Friends: (0)	Alvin! you're getting my name wrong here lol. Yeah, Picked up a nice rhodactis on friday. The extra sodium ion is probably a result of the combustion. If H2O and CO2 are leaving, where else can it be coming from other than the the breakdown of baking soda. As for MgCl, isn't it MgCl2? Mg is a 2+ cation, no? If considering the excess chloride, I'm guessing it also takes part with sodium ion, but correct me if I'm wrong, it can also be hydrated. Futhermore, there are also other ions present in solution, i.e. potassium. Last edited by Cloud1921; 02-05-2006 at 11:41 PM.

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spykes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 2,821 Reefer Ratings: (19) Friends: (0)	it's MgCL2 __________________ Understanding and reading is one of the best instrument we humans have, use it and become a higher being, ignorance is not bliss I grow my corals out of baking soda and icemelt =D

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02-05-2006, 11:46 PM	#24
noodleman The Lurker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Williamsburg, Brooklyn Posts: 3,079 Reefer Ratings: (27) Friends: (6)	sorry chris. Yes its Mg2+, but still the Cl- ion outnumber the Na+. The formula on the two part site states: 2 NaHCO3 = Na2CO3 + H2O + CO2 so basically you end up wit half the amount of sodium bicarb. So if you use washing soda you only need half the amount. Hey spykes, if its to offset the sulfates, why not just use magnessium chloride entirely and not the eposion salts? Where exactly are the sulfates entering?

02-06-2006, 12:06 AM	#26
noodleman The Lurker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Williamsburg, Brooklyn Posts: 3,079 Reefer Ratings: (27) Friends: (6)	must read on about this improved two part business. Guess we'll havea ncie long convo in the lab tomorrow...lol