[blueocean8]

I think my clowfish may have died from brooklynella, from an Anthias that was bought on-line =(. Does anyone have experience in treating Brooklynella?
What's the best way to go about doing this? We have a 55 gallon tank, two tangs, koran angelfish, one clown (now), three stripe damsel , wrasse, 3 coral, 2 anenomes, little green crab and a fire shrimp, with about 40 pounds of live rock.

And of course my fiance hasn't taken the dead clownfish out of the tank yet!

	Dascyllus Aruanus Dascyllus Aruanus-Three Stripe Damsel Very aggressive fish that gets about 3". Caution should be taken when placing on in a tank as they are very aggressive and can attack other fish, taking control over the tank. Can be kept in groups but you need to introduce them together.Similar to the Four Stripe Damsel.

	Balistapus Conspiculum- Balistapus Conspiculum-Clown An aggressive trigger that get more aggressive the larger it gets, can reach about 20" or so. Do well in a FO or Fowlr and very aggressive tank mates. Unlike most other triggers it needs very good water quality, low nitrates. The quarter size ones that show up every year need to be feed a lot. If feed correctly they should grow from 1" to 4"-6" in a year.

[finksmart]

Sorry for your loss. I just lost a royal gamma to ich and it sucks.

How do you know it's Brooklynella? For 55g your tank has a heavy bioload and 40lbs of live rock is too little. I would double that. I have a 90 gallon with more than 150lbs of live rock and less fish than you and my skimmer still pulls black gunk out of the water. Do you have a skimmer? I suspect water quality may be to blame. Also there are articles on diseases on wetwebmedia.com, reefkeeping.com, and reefcentral.com may lend you some knowledge.

[KathyC]

I would suggest you get that dead clown out of the tank immediately.
It is destroying your water quality even further by increasing ammonia in the tank which is about the worst thing you can do right now.
It sounds like a major water change is in order as fish treated for Brooklynella are returned to the display tank.

What kind of tangs are in this tank? Eight fish, inlcuding 2 tangs is major overload for a 55g tank and that causes stress.

One of the causes of Brooklynella is stress..see link & please follow the directions to the letter!
Brooklynella is extremely deadly and it kills fast, you have no time to waste in beginning treatment.

http://atj.net.au/marineaquaria/brooklynella.html

Good luck to you, please keep us updated.

	Balistapus Conspiculum- Balistapus Conspiculum-Clown An aggressive trigger that get more aggressive the larger it gets, can reach about 20" or so. Do well in a FO or Fowlr and very aggressive tank mates. Unlike most other triggers it needs very good water quality, low nitrates. The quarter size ones that show up every year need to be feed a lot. If feed correctly they should grow from 1" to 4"-6" in a year.

[KathyC]

Also curious to know why you think it's Brooklynella?
How soon after you got the Anthias did it die and what symptoms did you see?
Did your clown show any signs of illness, if so, what were they?

It is very important to arrive at a proper diagnosis before beginning treatment as frequently the treatment itself can kill, especially if you are treating for the wrong illness.

Fish should always be QT'd before being added to a your tank.

	Balistapus Conspiculum- Balistapus Conspiculum-Clown An aggressive trigger that get more aggressive the larger it gets, can reach about 20" or so. Do well in a FO or Fowlr and very aggressive tank mates. Unlike most other triggers it needs very good water quality, low nitrates. The quarter size ones that show up every year need to be feed a lot. If feed correctly they should grow from 1" to 4"-6" in a year.

[blueocean8]

Someone said it may be brooklynella. I have a Blue tang and a yellow tang .
We had the Anthias for maybe 4 days and it died. The symptoms of the Anthias was just that he didn't come out, didn't eat and hid under a rock, you could see it's gills rapidly moving compared to the other fish.
When we bought the two clown fish. They came from separate tanks the one that is alive is a vibrant orange the one that died wasn't as vibrant from the date of purchase the guy at the fish store said that could be from the different levels in salinity that they came from. He was fine until after the Anthias died. He started really hanging around the anenome more then normal, stayed in the back of the tank behind the live rock which for him wasn't normal. I didn't notice and white slime on him. Now that he is dead he looks to have a whitish tinge.
See we thought that amount of fish was ok as per what the guys at the fish store said.
So how many fish total would you all reccommend for a 55 gallon tank?
We don't have a skimmer. We have a wet/dry filter.

	Zebrasome Flavescens Zebrasome Flavescens-Yellow Tang Yellow tangs are good reef fish and small ones can keep in tanks as small as 30gal with large ones in tanks from 55-75+gals. Yellow tangs can be very aggressive, not only against other tangs, but other fish as well. They do a lot of fighting, so you need to be careful with what tankmates you place it with. Yellow tangs need regular feedings of food and good water quality. If not, they start to lose the bright color yellow.

	Balistapus Conspiculum- Balistapus Conspiculum-Clown An aggressive trigger that get more aggressive the larger it gets, can reach about 20" or so. Do well in a FO or Fowlr and very aggressive tank mates. Unlike most other triggers it needs very good water quality, low nitrates. The quarter size ones that show up every year need to be feed a lot. If feed correctly they should grow from 1" to 4"-6" in a year.

[KathyC]

Anthias are known for sudden death in fish tanks. I assume he also came from a LFS? Any idea how long they had the fish in their tank and did you ask them to feed it (so you could see whether it was actively eating) prior to purchase?

Both of the clowns should have been vibrant, different salinity levels or not. Did you acclimate any of these fish to your tank?

Just a heads up..fish need to be:
A- QT'd before adding them to your tank
B- acclimated properly to the salinity & temp of your tank
C- added slowly or your bioload cannot keep up with the additions and your ammonia level will go off the charts

Have you tested your water parameters? All of them? (Ammonia, Nitrate, nitrite, Ca, Alk, Mg....) What is your temp & salinity?

Not to be harsh but with no skimmer on this tank and only 40 pounds of live rock in there, you are heading for a total wipeout of your fish as you don't have much of a bio-filter going on. The load needs to be reduced asap so this doesn't happen.

How long has this tank been set up? Was it properly cycled?

I would not treat for Brooklynella at this point as you may well not have it. Just because the fish looks white-ish after death, doesn't signify Brooklynella. You may possibly be dealing with ich, but until you see clear symptoms of it, I would not treat at all.
I still believe you need to do a major water change (test your parameters before & after!) in the neighborhood of 50%.

IMO, I'd return or sell the 2 tangs to start, they product copius amounts of poop that your system cannot handle. The Koran Angel is also way too large a fish for your tank and should be re-homed too.
http://www.peteducation.com/article....articleid=2008

What kind of wrasse do you have?

It's always best to research fish before you purchase them to be sure that you can provide the proper environment for them to be able to thrive. Many of the fish you have purchased are inappropriate for the size tank you have. Is the LFS giving you this advice?

	Pomacanthus Semicirculatus-Koran Angel Large Angels This is a group of Angels that get very large, and aren’t for the most part reef safe. Although a number of people have been able to keep them in reef tanks. Most will pick at corals, clams and worms in the tank, so if introduced into a reef tank, they need to be carefully watched. For the most part, they do very well in FO or FOWLR tanks, but need tanks that are at least 6’+ or larger. They need to be fed large amount of greens and meat foods so they will be a bigger load on a reef system. Pomacanthus Semicirculatus-Koran Angel Korans do very well and are the least aggressive amongst the larger angels. They’re actually are on the shy side and small Juv. can easily be placed in small tanks, but a 6’ tank is usually needed as they do grow large. They may pick on corals, so if placed in a reef tank they need to be watched. They usually get along with other large angels.

[finksmart]

First of all change as much water as possible. Then,

1. Sounds like u don't have a test kit. Get a test kit.
2. Ditch the filter media in the wet/dry and throw a skimmer in there ASAP.
3. Get more live rock.
4. On the fish, for starter the tangs have to go. Minimum for them is 75g and some people would even say 100 - 120. It depends on the size. But 55g is no place for any tang to chill in. The blue tang especially since it's an open ocean swimmer as well. In addition, tangs poop like crazy and w/o a skimmer and proper amount of live rock your tank is not suitable for these high maintenance fish. Imagine yourself swimming in your own poop all day, it's not good.
5. I would stop going to the LFS guy for advice he's full of sh!t. The best advice comes from people on this forum.

Good luck.

[finksmart]

And yeah, whatever Kathy said as well. Lol.

[Chiefmcfuz]

Do not treat for anything yet. Post water parameters for your tank. Also please post info about your tank. Size and bioload and set up date are important. Pics as well. You also need to slow down with the adding of fish to your tank and make sure you acclimate them thoroughly I prefer drip acclimation. QT all new fish and observe them for a period of at least 2 weeks before adding them to your display tank.

Make sure you have good test kits as well.

[blueocean8]

Quote: Originally Posted by KathyC Anthias are known for sudden death in fish tanks. I assume he also came from a LFS? Any idea how long they had the fish in their tank and did you ask them to feed it (so you could see whether it was actively eating) prior to purchase? Both of the clowns should have been vibrant, different salinity levels or not. Did you acclimate any of these fish to your tank? Just a heads up..fish need to be: A- QT'd before adding them to your tank B- acclimated properly to the salinity & temp of your tank C- added slowly or your bioload cannot keep up with the additions and your ammonia level will go off the charts Have you tested your water parameters? All of them? (Ammonia, Nitrate, nitrite, Ca, Alk, Mg....) What is your temp & salinity? Not to be harsh but with no skimmer on this tank and only 40 pounds of live rock in there, you are heading for a total wipeout of your fish as you don't have much of a bio-filter going on. The load needs to be reduced asap so this doesn't happen. How long has this tank been set up? Was it properly cycled? I would not treat for Brooklynella at this point as you may well not have it. Just because the fish looks white-ish after death, doesn't signify Brooklynella. You may possibly be dealing with ich, but until you see clear symptoms of it, I would not treat at all. I still believe you need to do a major water change (test your parameters before & after!) in the neighborhood of 50%. IMO, I'd return or sell the 2 tangs to start, they product copius amounts of poop that your system cannot handle. The Koran Angel is also way too large a fish for your tank and should be re-homed too. http://www.peteducation.com/article....articleid=2008 What kind of wrasse do you have? It's always best to research fish before you purchase them to be sure that you can provide the proper environment for them to be able to thrive. Many of the fish you have purchased are inappropriate for the size tank you have. Is the LFS giving you this advice?

We bought the Anthias and a clown fairy wrasse from nyaquatics.com. So I don't know how long they had either fish. My fiance acclimated fish to the tank by floating the bag in the tank to adjust to temperature, then after 10 minutes poked a holes in the bag so the water can mix. I have heard there is a drip method to doing this, but he didn't do it because the guy from the fish store made it sound confusing and of course I wasn't there to confirm what was said. He brought the water in to be tested this past monday and everything was fine. After leaving the fish in overnight he will have to get the water tested again.
The temperature of the water is 80-82. Salinity is fine. I just talked to my fiance and he said the is about 60 pounds of live rock not 40. Which is probably to little still. How do we switch over from the wet/dry filter to the skimmer? Does he have to take everything out in order to do this? Again he went with the wet/dry filter because that's what the stupid guy in the store told him to do. The tank total has been around for 2 1/2 months.
He let the tank cycle for a month before adding livestock.

The blue tang is very small maybe about an inch in length. Should we still get rid of him? The yellow tang on the other hand is an adult and the koran angerl is a juvenile but about 3 inches in length. So definitely getting rid of those two, maybe I should get rid of the clown fairy wrasse instead of the little blue tang? What do you think?

	Zebrasome Flavescens Zebrasome Flavescens-Yellow Tang Yellow tangs are good reef fish and small ones can keep in tanks as small as 30gal with large ones in tanks from 55-75+gals. Yellow tangs can be very aggressive, not only against other tangs, but other fish as well. They do a lot of fighting, so you need to be careful with what tankmates you place it with. Yellow tangs need regular feedings of food and good water quality. If not, they start to lose the bright color yellow.

	Pomacanthus Semicirculatus-Koran Angel Large Angels This is a group of Angels that get very large, and aren’t for the most part reef safe. Although a number of people have been able to keep them in reef tanks. Most will pick at corals, clams and worms in the tank, so if introduced into a reef tank, they need to be carefully watched. For the most part, they do very well in FO or FOWLR tanks, but need tanks that are at least 6’+ or larger. They need to be fed large amount of greens and meat foods so they will be a bigger load on a reef system. Pomacanthus Semicirculatus-Koran Angel Korans do very well and are the least aggressive amongst the larger angels. They’re actually are on the shy side and small Juv. can easily be placed in small tanks, but a 6’ tank is usually needed as they do grow large. They may pick on corals, so if placed in a reef tank they need to be watched. They usually get along with other large angels.

	Balistapus Conspiculum- Balistapus Conspiculum-Clown An aggressive trigger that get more aggressive the larger it gets, can reach about 20" or so. Do well in a FO or Fowlr and very aggressive tank mates. Unlike most other triggers it needs very good water quality, low nitrates. The quarter size ones that show up every year need to be feed a lot. If feed correctly they should grow from 1" to 4"-6" in a year.