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thirty5

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see, now you have the right idea. These 2 idiots are on my list too along with brittany spears, lindsay lohan, paris hilton...............and my list goes on.

And xdavex i don't care about race, religion, creed, sexual orientation etc, people with me are treated on an individual basis. The individuals listed are of all walks of life.

So in conclusion i'm not closing this thread but this is my last post in it. I respect your opinions, you have not respected mine and bashed me to feel more superior because you want to. I have not insulted anyone or called anyone anything with the exception of pointed out the truth about these celebrities. I will not be attacked personally.


bravo i'm with you!
 

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Brittany Spears

To be fair, she never got arrested (i think) or did anything illegal. Shes just stupid and the media is the one that's following her. She's bipolar. Follow one around for long enough without meds and something crazy is bound to happen.

I agree with Beer Fish 100% on this topic. I dont care who she is, unless she did something amazing for this country over than releasing music I didnt even like, she flag should never be brought down. Presidents and war heros get the flag lowered, not some chick that was born with a great voice and had people write songs for her.

Being a drug addict is immaterial.

Also, the comment that its the police and gov't fault there are drugs in this country... if you seriously think that, youre delusional.

PS: thirty5, i am very liberal :D
 

thirty5

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To be fair, she never got arrested (i think) or did anything illegal. Shes just stupid and the media is the one that's following her. She's bipolar. Follow one around for long enough without meds and something crazy is bound to happen.

I agree with Beer Fish 100% on this topic. I dont care who she is, unless she did something amazing for this country over than releasing music I didnt even like, she flag should never be brought down. Presidents and war heros get the flag lowered, not some chick that was born with a great voice and had people write songs for her.

Being a drug addict is immaterial.

Also, the comment that its the police and gov't fault there are drugs in this country... if you seriously think that, youre delusional.

PS: thirty5, i am very liberal :D


Well I said that I was not going to comment anymore, but since you made a comment ....

You may be liberal, but on this topic we seem to both be the same! So you can pretend that I am not calling "YOU" liberal.
 

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will the wonderful governor of the state you live in order the flags at half staff for you?

I am sure the flag will remain right where it is when I croak. I guess Whitney Houston was more American than I am :usa1:

Wingo, I do like my Manly Man LED lights much more than anything I could buy. :rolleyes:
But thank you for my discount.

As for being a Liberal, I am very far from that, I think they should draft everyone and if you don't want to go you can get out or get shot. Of course that is just my opinion. I guess thats why I will never be voted into any office. ;)
I also do not push my opinions on anyone or dislike anyone for having a different opinion. Unless it is wrong that is :biglaugh:
 

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Wow. I am obviously late to the party here but anyone who thinks that an American Flag should fly at half staff for some yodeling tart is right out of there mind!!!!!
P.S. I am liberal but sensible also.
Half Staff is for heroes. Period!!!
 

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I had stopped responding on this thread a while ago, and was glad to see it gone from the front page. But since it has been brought back up I decided to state what I felt, and still feel concerning this thread. You can all hate me, throw your rocks at me, but I just could not stay silent any more.
This thread has made me so very sad!! I do not believe the OP intended it to be a "lets bash Whitney Houston" thread.
Yet, many have made it so.:( Why, what was the point of tearing apart someone who has passed? You're words did not hurt the deceased, but instead brought anxiety two those who are living. Be it her fans, friends or perhaps even a family member. Never know who may read this thread. It is on the open Internet for anyone, and all to access.
My response to those who asked; "would we as parents want our children to look up to Ms. Houston?" I would reply by saying this: In a way yes I would. If any of my granddaughters were to come to me, and say that they loved Whitney, and that they want to follow in her foot steps. I would tell them that Whitney Houston had a God given talent, as well as being a generous human being who gave back to the world not only her beautiful voice, but with finances as well.
She gave back! http://www.prlog.org/11801299-whitn...ing-lessons-cited-by-philanthropy-expert.html
Unfortunately she throw it ALL away, when she got involved with drugs. I would love for any off my girls to have the desire to emulate her, but to also learn from her mistakes... Yes, go become a phenomenal singer, and a generous soul. But do leave the drugs alone, which took so very much from Ms. Houston. Perhaps even her life. That is what I would tell my girls if anyone of them were to tell me that they want to follow in Whitney's footsteps.
Many of you have gone about calling her a "crack head". How do you know that she was in fact a crack head? Out of her lips, and televised were the words "crack is cheap, I have to much money to do crack. Crack is whacked". She admitted to doing coke, pills, and alcohol, but never crack. I do not agree with consuming drugs for any reason, but I do understand that many either by choice or need do end up being addicted to them. Will I pass judgement on such individuals? Absolutely NOT... I am no one to pass judgement on another. We ALL have some fault that we can be judged on sadly enough. Not one of us is perfect. I for one know that I have to be very careful not to become judgmental, especially against judgmental people.;)

BTW, Whitney Houston only hurt herself physically & financially, and worse of all her daughter as well as the rest of her family!

Then there is the thing with the governor of NJ ordering the flag to be flown at half-staff. I'm sure he meant well. Even though many found it in poor taste, I don't see why you all attacked each other, and Ms. Houston.

Many Americans do not know the rules or code for displaying the flag. Many break the "Flag Code" on a daily basis.......
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagcode.htm

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Flag Code
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The laws relating to the flag of the United States of America are found in detail in the United States Code. Title 4, Chapter 1 pertains to the flag; Title 18, Chapter 33, Section 700 regards criminal penalties for flag desecration; Title 36, Chapter 3 pertains to patriotic customs and observances. These laws were supplemented by Executive Orders and Presidential Proclamations.

United States Code Title 4 Chapter 1 ? The Flag
?1. Flag; stripes and stars on
The flag of the United States shall be thirteen horizontal stripes, alternate red and white; and the union of the flag shall be forty-eight stars [Note: Sec. 2 provides for additional stars; Today the flag has fifty stars representing the fifty states ? Webmaster], white in a blue field

?2. Same; additional stars
On the admission of a new State into the Union one star shall be added to the union of the flag; and such addition shall take effect on the fourth day of July then next succeeding such admission

?3. Use of flag for advertising purposes; mutilation of flag
Any person who, within the District of Columbia, in any manner, for exhibition or display, shall place or cause to be placed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing, or any advertisement of any nature upon any flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America; or shall expose or cause to be exposed to public view any such flag, standard, colors, or ensign upon which shall have been printed, painted, or otherwise placed, or to which shall be attached, appended, affixed, or annexed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, or drawing, or any advertisement of any nature; or who, within the District of Columbia, shall manufacture, sell, expose for sale, or to public view, or give away or have in possession for sale, or to be given away or for use for any purpose, any article or substance being an article of merchandise, or a receptacle for merchandise or article or thing for carrying or transporting merchandise, upon which shall have been printed, painted, attached, or otherwise placed a representation of any such flag, standard, colors, or ensign, to advertise, call attention to, decorate, mark, or distinguish the article or substance on which so placed shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $100 or by imprisonment for not more than thirty days, or both, in the discretion of the court. The words "flag, standard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.

?4. Pledge of allegiance to the flag; manner of delivery
The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.", should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove any non-religious headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute. [See Congressional Notes re use of "under God."]

?5. Display and use of flag by civilians; codification of rules and customs; definition
The following codification of existing rules and customs pertaining to the display and use of the flag of the United States of America be, and it is hereby, established for the use of such civilians or civilian groups or organizations as may not be required to conform with regulations promulgated by one or more executive departments of the Government of the United States. The flag of the United States for the purpose of this chapter shall be defined according to title 4, United States Code, Chapter 1, Section 1 and Section 2 and Executive Order 10834 issued pursuant thereto.

?6. Time and occasions for display
It is the universal custom to display the flag only from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary flagstaffs in the open. However, when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed twenty-four hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness.
The flag should be hoisted briskly and lowered ceremoniously.
The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement, except when an all-weather flag is displayed.
The flag should be displayed on all days, especially on
New Year's Day, January 1
Inauguration Day, January 20
Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday, third Monday in January
Lincoln's Birthday, February 12
Washington's Birthday, third Monday in February
Easter Sunday (variable)
Mother's Day, second Sunday in May
Armed Forces Day, third Saturday in May
Memorial Day (half-staff until noon), the last Monday in May
Flag Day, June 14
Father's Day, third Sunday in June
Independence Day, July 4
Labor Day, first Monday in September
Constitution Day, September 17
Columbus Day, second Monday in October
Navy Day, October 27
Veterans Day, November 11
Thanksgiving Day, fourth Thursday in November
Christmas Day, December 25
and such other days as may be proclaimed by the President of the United States
the birthdays of States (date of admission)
and on State holidays.

The flag should be displayed daily on or near the main administration building of every public institution.
The flag should be displayed in or near every polling place on election days.
The flag should be displayed during school days in or near every schoolhouse.
?7. Position and manner of display
The flag, when carried in a procession with another flag or flags, should be either on the marching right; that is, the flag's own right, or, if there is a line of other flags, in front of the center of that line.

The flag should not be displayed on a float in a parade except from a staff, or as provided in subsection (i) of this section.
The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.
No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations.
The flag of the United States of America, when it is displayed with another flag against a wall from crossed staffs, should be on the right, the flag's own right, and its staff should be in front of the staff of the other flag.
The flag of the United States of America should be at the center and at the highest point of the group when a number of flags of States or localities or pennants of societies are grouped and displayed from staffs.
When flags of States, cities, or localities, or pennants of societies are flown on the same halyard with the flag of the United States, the latter should always be at the peak. When the flags are flown from adjacent staffs, the flag of the United States should be hoisted first and lowered last. No such flag or pennant may be placed above the flag of the United States or to the United States flag's right.
When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace.
When the flag of the United States is displayed from a staff projecting horizontally or at an angle from the window sill, balcony, or front of a building, the union of the flag should be placed at the peak of the staff unless the flag is at half-staff. When the flag is suspended over a sidewalk from a rope extending from a house to a pole at the edge of the sidewalk, the flag should be hoisted out, union first, from the building.
When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flag's own right, that is, to the observer's left. When displayed in a window, the flag should be displayed in the same way, with the union or blue field to the left of the observer in the street.
When the flag is displayed over the middle of the street, it should be suspended vertically with the union to the north in an east and west street or to the east in a north and south street.
When used on a speaker's platform, the flag, if displayed flat, should be displayed above and behind the speaker. When displayed from a staff in a church or public auditorium, the flag of the United States of America should hold the position of superior prominence, in advance of the audience, and in the position of honor at the clergyman's or speaker's right as he faces the audience. Any other flag so displayed should be placed on the left of the clergyman or speaker or to the right of the audience.
The flag should form a distinctive feature of the ceremony of unveiling a statue or monument, but it should never be used as the covering for the statue or monument.
The flag, when flown at half-staff, should be first hoisted to the peak for an instant and then lowered to the half-staff position. The flag should be again raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day. On Memorial Day the flag should be displayed at half-staff until noon only, then raised to the top of the staff. By order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law. In the event of the death of a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States, or the death of a member of the Armed Forces from any State, territory, or possession who dies while serving on active duty, the Governor of that State, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff, and the same authority is provided to the Mayor of the District of Columbia with respect to present or former officials of the District of Columbia and members of the Armed Forces from the District of Columbia. The flag shall be flown at half-staff 30 days from the death of the President or a former President; 10 days from the day of death of the Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives; from the day of death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice President, or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession; and on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress. The flag shall be flown at half-staff on Peace Officers Memorial Day, unless that day is also Armed Forces Day. As used in this subsection ?
the term "half-staff" means the position of the flag when it is one-half the distance between the top and bottom of the staff;
the term "executive or military department" means any agency listed under sections 101 and 102 of title 5, United States Code; and
the term "Member of Congress" means a Senator, a Representative, a Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner from Puerto Rico.
When the flag is used to cover a casket, it should be so placed that the union is at the head and over the left shoulder. The flag should not be lowered into the grave or allowed to touch the ground.
When the flag is suspended across a corridor or lobby in a building with only one main entrance, it should be suspended vertically with the union of the flag to the observer's left upon entering. If the building has more than one main entrance, the flag should be suspended vertically near the center of the corridor or lobby with the union to the north, when entrances are to the east and west or to the east when entrances are to the north and south. If there are entrances in more than two directions, the union should be to the east.

?8. Respect for flag
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.

The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning
?9. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag
During the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag or when the flag is passing in a parade or in review, all persons present in uniform should render the military salute. Members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute. All other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, or if applicable, remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Citizens of other countries present should stand at attention. All such conduct toward the flag in a moving column should be rendered at the moment the flag passes.

?10. Modification of rules and customs by President
Any rule or custom pertaining to the display of the flag of the United States of America, set forth herein, may be altered, modified, or repealed, or additional rules with respect thereto may be prescribed, by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, whenever he deems it to be appropriate or desirable; and any such alteration or additional rule shall be set forth in a proclamation

United States Code Title 36
?301. National anthem
Designation. ? The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.

Conduct During Playing ? During rendition of the national anthem ?
when the flag is displayed ?
individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
?302. National motto
"In God we trust" is the national motto.

?303. National floral emblem
The flower commonly known as the rose is the national floral emblem.

?304. National march
The composition by John Philip Sousa entitled "The Stars and Stripes Forever" is the national march.

?901. Service flag and service lapel button
Individuals Entitled To Display Service Flag.? A service flag approved by the Secretary of Defense may be displayed in a window of the place of residence of individuals who are members of the immediate family of an individual serving in the Armed Forces of the United States during any period of war or hostilities in which the Armed Forces of the United States are engaged.
Individuals Entitled To Display Service Lapel Button.? A service lapel button approved by the Secretary may be worn by members of the immediate family of an individual serving in the Armed Forces of the United States during any period of war or hostilities in which the Armed Forces of the United States are engaged.
License To Manufacture and Sell Service Flags and Service Lapel Buttons.? Any person may apply to the Secretary for a license to manufacture and sell the approved service flag, or the approved service lapel button, or both. Any person that manufactures a service flag or service lapel button without having first obtained a license, or otherwise violates this section is liable to the United States Government for a civil penalty of not more than $1,000.
Regulations.? The Secretary may prescribe regulations necessary to carry out this section.
 
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Holy cow, thats gotta be the longest post I've ever seen! With that said, I understand where you are coming from. BUT, I still think it is wrong for people to idolize her. She knew she was in the public eye and had soooo many young adoring fans and yet she still let her drug abuse become so bad that everyone knew about it and it eventually killed her in the end. I've done drugs in the past, to be honest, many, but I never let them get a hold of me to the point wherit was public knowledge or where I ever hurt anyone I loved. Once I found out I was gonna be a father, ALL that crap stopped. She has/had a beautiful daughter and a hell of alot more money than I will ever see in MY lifetime and she thru it all away. THER IS NO FREAKIN WAY SHE SHOULD BE HELD ON A PESTAL FOR THIS REASON ALONE. I do respect you,AWI, even know I dont pesonally know you, but everyone is going to have their own personal opion about this.
 

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Holy cow, thats gotta be the longest post I've ever seen! With that said, I understand where you are coming from. BUT, I still think it is wrong for people to idolize her. She knew she was in the public eye and had soooo many young adoring fans and yet she still let her drug abuse become so bad that everyone knew about it and it eventually killed her in the end. I've done drugs in the past, to be honest, many, but I never let them get a hold of me to the point wherit was public knowledge or where I ever hurt anyone I loved. Once I found out I was gonna be a father, ALL that crap stopped. She has/had a beautiful daughter and a hell of alot more money than I will ever see in MY lifetime and she thru it all away. THER IS NO FREAKIN WAY SHE SHOULD BE HELD ON A PESTAL FOR THIS REASON ALONE. I do respect you,AWI, even know I dont pesonally know you, but everyone is going to have their own personal opion about this.

LOL, yes it is very long! Only because of the "links" to what was not mentioned here, and the entire "Flag Code".. I do agree with you on that she nor anyone else should be held up on a pedestal for that matter. Absolutely, she should not have allowed the drugs & alcohol to take over her whole existence. Yes, everyone will have their own opinions, and I FULLY respect their opinions as well as them personally.
All I am saying is that sometimes we need to be mindful of what we say. Especially on an open forum that is open to the whole world...

What IF Bobbi Kristina was to "Google" her mom, don't you think our thread here would come up? How much more pain will the disparaging words here hurt her? So Whitney destroyed her own life, shall we also help to hurt her child further?

I have said my piece, and believe I have clarified enough. I never idolized nor will I ever idolized any living or deceased human being. Nor do I love people I have never met. I DO CARE VERY MUCH FOR ALL OF HUMANITY regardless of what state they may be in. Simply because we are all human, and therefor in need of caring.:grouphug:
 

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Took the family the other day past here funeral home since its only a few block away from my house we couldn't get close because cops already had setup a perimeter around the block. Looked crazy out there
 

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Awi you have to understand that there are some people who are completely perfect and have never ever in their lives done anything immoral, ever.
Or that is how they want us to think because they seem to stand in judgement over everyone else.

[sarcasm font off]
 

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Awilda, I agree with you which is why I posted
I don't like it when anyone dies because I can feel for her family. I won't comment on her life or the way she died because it is none of my business. I saw her sing a long time ago and she was a good entertainer. My problem is not with her.

I have a Daughter and we don't know what the future holds.
But I also know you for the good person you are and I know you would not say something detrimental about someone who has just died. We know what her family is now feeling.
My problem or concern is the flag. IMO the Govenor is wrong.
I have a 20' flagpole in front of my house and my flag is correctly flying all the way up.
(By the way, thank you for the flag etiquite insert, I read it when I installed my flag)
I know hero's and have served with hero's, one was awarded the Medal of honor, that is who the flag lowering is for.
Entertainers have Emmys and Oscars but "real" American hero's only have the flag.
An American Marine from my area died yesterday and I did not lower the flag like I usually do because I didn't want anyone to think I was doing it for Whitney Houston.
Unfortunately no one will remember the Marine's name but that is what is the case with most real hero's.
Whitney Houston gave some money to charity and she was a great singer, but "Hero"
Absolutely not. By lowering the flag for other people besides real Hero's we diminish the true meaning of the jesture.
Just today I saw on the net a guy who was a Hungarian citizen and was POW in a German POW camp slated to be executed. He was rescued by Americans and he joined the American Army only to be captured by the Korean's. He was up for 4 Medals of honor and was awarded the medal 50 years after his service. He is a real hero.
And he can't even sing.:usa1:
This is the video of that hero, if anyone has 15 minutes to spare to learn what a hero is.
http://www.greatamericans.com/video/Portraits-of-Valor-Tibor-Rubin
 
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Awilda, I agree with you which is why I posted


I have a Daughter and we don't know what the future holds.
But I also know you for the good person you are and I know you would not say something detrimental about someone who has just died. We know what her family is now feeling.
My problem or concern is the flag. IMO the Govenor is wrong.
I have a 20' flagpole in front of my house and my flag is correctly flying all the way up.
(By the way, thank you for the flag etiquite insert, I read it when I installed my flag)
I know hero's and have served with hero's, one was awarded the Medal of honor, that is who the flag lowering is for.
Entertainers have Emmys and Oscars but "real" American hero's only have the flag.
An American Marine from my area died yesterday and I did not lower the flag like I usually do because I didn't want anyone to think I was doing it for Whitney Houston.
Unfortunately no one will remember the Marine's name but that is what is the case with most real hero's.
Whitney Houston gave some money to charity and she was a great singer, but "Hero"
Absolutely not. By lowering the flag for other people besides real Hero's we diminish the true meaning of the jesture.
Just today I saw on the net a guy who was a Hungarian citizen and was POW in a German POW camp slated to be executed. He was rescued by Americans and he joined the American Army only to be captured by the Korean's. He was up for 4 Medals of honor and was awarded the medal 50 years after his service. He is a real hero.
And he can't even sing.:usa1:
This is the video of that hero, if anyone has 15 minutes to spare to learn what a hero is.
http://www.greatamericans.com/video/Portraits-of-Valor-Tibor-Rubin

Hi Paul, I am only responding because it is you.:hug:
Clearly my post on the matter of the flag at half-staff was not clear, and I admit that. I was really trying to convey that I felt the governor was indeed wrong. Which is why I posted the "Flag Code".;)
I repeat: to attack one another or Whitney Houston for that matter is in my eyes wrong. The one that should have been attack for such action was the governor himself. I don't think he was pressured into doing so. In other words it was he alone who made the decision, so he alone should be the one questioned or indited. Why attack each other here?
I do know who heroes are, and I don't consider entertainers to be one, unless of course he/she dies giving their life to save another!

My stating what Ms. Houston did for the people was merely a reminder that there was more to the woman then her addictions; Which appeared to me that some gave so much attention to dismissing the good she did as if it never existed.
 
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