[fishman77]

Does anyone use miracle mud, minerial mud, or kent marine biosediment for their refugium?

[juiceguy]

i use some miracle mud in my fuge

[albano]

I have used a combination of miracle mud and mineral mud (approx 10 gal/200 lbs) for 5 yrs, in 1/3 of my 150g (8') sump, remaining 2/3s is DSB w/plenum...450g system volume, things have done well, see 'dream come true system' in tank threads

[mr_X]

i have seen an article where they examined miracle mud and found nothing in it to suggest it was from the ocean. i bought a container of it and found pieces of red brick and some shiny plastic things. it's from someone's backyard.

i don't think the success of your reef is due to this product.

[Aqua Pro Builder]

Quote: Originally Posted by mr_X i have seen an article where they examined miracle mud and found nothing in it to suggest it was from the ocean. i bought a container of it and found pieces of red brick and some shiny plastic things. it's from someone's backyard. i don't think the success of your reef is due to this product.

Even though the mud may not be from the ocean but it may (or may not) be the mud that help the system to succeed. Most articles about this mud, suggested that the minerals in the mud could have help the growth of the macro algae and thus increase the nutrient export. It's like adding additive in a solid form and in a time released manner. By glorifying the description of the mud, the seller can (probably) hike up the selling price. I think hobbyists can manually add the minerals for the macro but that may become a burden and finally give up. It's proven iron increases the growth of macro, but how many of us do add that? I did not.
I used miricle mud in one old system that came along with it, the plants(macro with roots) growth with the mud is faster than the plants on the sand in the same eco filter. The idea is like freshwater planted tank, growth of the plants are better where they were stuck to the proper substrate while they grow slower in pebbles in the same tank. I always use this trick to reduce the amount of work to trim my plants while staying in shape. Worth the mony is another issue.

A reverse thinking here. One of the famous fertilier for land plants come from ponds not from the ground-the pond mud. So the original of the product does not matter, it's the results that matters.

[cali_reef]

Quote: Originally Posted by mr_X i have seen an article where they examined miracle mud and found nothing in it to suggest it was from the ocean. i bought a container of it and found pieces of red brick and some shiny plastic things. it's from someone's backyard. i don't think the success of your reef is due to this product.

How can you knock on a product that have the word "miracle" in the name .

[cali_reef]

Quote: Originally Posted by Aqua Pro Builder Even though the mud may not be from the ocean but it may (or may not) be the mud that help the system to succeed. Most articles about this mud, suggested that the minerals in the mud could have help the growth of the macro algae and thus increase the nutrient export. It's like adding additive in a solid form and in a time released manner. By glorifying the description of the mud, the seller can (probably) hike up the selling price. I think hobbyists can manually add the minerals for the macro but that may become a burden and finally give up. It's proven iron increases the growth of macro, but how many of us do add that? I did not. I used miricle mud in one old system that came along with it, the plants(macro with roots) growth with the mud is faster than the plants on the sand in the same eco filter. The idea is like freshwater planted tank, growth of the plants are better where they were stuck to the proper substrate while they grow slower in pebbles in the same tank. I always use this trick to reduce the amount of work to trim my plants while staying in shape. Worth the mony is another issue. A reverse thinking here. One of the famous fertilier for land plants come from ponds not from the ground-the pond mud. So the original of the product does not matter, it's the results that matters.

I think we want to grow plants in the fuge to export things we don't want in our tanks. I am not sure adding miracle stuff which we don't know what is made from helps with the goal.

[Euroreefer]

Its a miracle they allow that prodcut to be sold! lol

[Aqua Pro Builder]

Hmm...
looks like Kent Marine noticed the word miracle god offending and thus drop it and label similar product as Biosediment. LOL

[mr_X]

so, the reason for putting miracle mud in your refugium is to accelerate the growth of macroalgae?
on the packaging, it boasts of buffering your trace elements that are utilized by your corals.
do you also agree with this? do you feel that any addition of trace elements is unnecessary since you have mud in your system?