Randy's Improved 2-part recipe

[Deanos]

Calcium and Alkalinity Supplement System

 

[noodleman]

baking soda is that the same as sodium bicarbonate?

 

[spykes]

it is sodium bicarbonate. you can check the msdf

 

[noodleman]

so i'm guessing laboratory grade sodium bicard doesn't need to be baked

 

[spykes]

http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/s2954.htm
it's 99-100%

baking it makes it sodium carbonate supposly.

 

[noodleman]

http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/s2954.htm
it's 99-100%

baking it makes it sodium carbonate supposly.

where you see that? All i can find from the randy's 2 part site is that baking it drives off CO2 and H2O

 

[spykes]

supposly i talked to randy, but calireef said washing soda is the baked version of it, and it shows carbonate instead, also a higher PH version and a lower PH version, if you notice if you dont bake it, the PH is lower, and when you do baking it the PH is higher?

 

[noodleman]

Well by baking it and shows a higher pH that's most likely due to the CO2 being driven off. Cant find anything about turn bicarb into carbonate simply from baking it. Maybe i'm just not looking hard enough

 

[noodleman]

wait nevermind found it, heating it up does transform it into carbonate instead of bicarbonate. So if I can locate and use sodium carbonate it should be fine without the heating

 

[spykes]

hehhehe, but i rather buy the washing soda :p

 

[kimoyo]

Washing soda is the baked version of baking soda but it doesn't have to be food-grade which baking soda is.

Randy says, "All you are doing is changing the amount of carbon dioxide in the baking soda:", so it might still be sodium bicarbonate.

Noodleman you have access to laboratory grade sodium bicarbonate? Does laboratory grade mean its still food grade?

 

[kimoyo]

wait nevermind found it, heating it up does transform it into carbonate instead of bicarbonate. So if I can locate and use sodium carbonate it should be fine without the heating

Okay, where?

 

[spykes]

LOL paul, i know it transforms it :p

 

[noodleman]

I'm thinking they use sodium bicarbonate instead of sodium carbonate is because of the extra sodium ion. Most likely it has something to do with the 1 to 1 equivalence to the chloride ion from the calcium chloride.

 

[noodleman]

Okay, where?

Found it herehttp://www.emfema.org/minerals/Sodium%20bicarbonate.htm under handling, when heated above 60 degree C if transforms. And labortory grade ingredients can be ordered anywhere and besides work in the lab at school:sgrin:

 

[spykes]

from NaHCO3 to Na2HCO3

 

[kimoyo]

LOL paul, i know it transforms it :p

I never liked chemistry anyway :lol:.

 

[noodleman]

from NaHCO3 to Na2HCO3

dont you mean NaHCO3 to NaCO3-?? a extra sodium ion doesn't just show up.

 

[Cloud1921]

Hypothetically speaking, if sodium carbonate is the result of baking, I would assume that proton from sodium bicarb is lost due to the combustion like reaction from releasing CO2 and H2O.

Hence, Carbonate (Na2CO3) has a high alkalinity effect when dosed.
It can accept 2 protons relative to bicarbonate?s (NAHCO3) capability of accepting only 1.

Not really sure which is which, but a 1:1 ratio is most likely evident with sodium carbonate (Na2CO3) and calcium chloride (CaCl2), a 1:1 equivalent if considering the exchange of sodium and chloride ions.

However, with brands such as ESV's B-ionic, there is mixture of both alkalinity components of carb and bicarb.

 

[noodleman]

yo kris you got a superman rhodactis? But if the 1:1 equivalence is required, then why use the upgraded version with the MgCl? This would add extra Cl- to your sistem. Also the baking can't just add a Na+ ion onto the molecule becuase where is it beinging provided?