MR frag sharing program... "Don't break the chain"

[bookfish]

BTW, if anyone is wanting to look at the article on the RHM site, go to downloads for the legible version.

 

[sanjay]

Very glad to see that at least the MR membership is considering this. I like to see member driven initiatives, rather than those being pushed from the top.

I too remember the good old days, when the coral love was all shared. But time and things change. I still have a rather large core group that I share corals with and who are very happy to share them with me.

I do understand the escalating costs of the hobby, and the need to try to offset some of the cost with coral sales, but at the same time its important to keep the spirit of swaps and sharing going. Striking a good balance is necessary.

its the masses that dictate the culture the pervades a society by thier actions. If you want a coral flea market that is what you will get. If you want a DBTC type system then start changing the culture. Make an effort to not sell that rare coral that everyone wants - share it first. In the end the good will prevail (inspite of a few failures). You don't judge a society or culture by the few that fail to abide by the cultural norm, but by the majority that follow it.

I am just glad to see that the right kind of talks have started here.

sanjay.

 

[Killerdrgn]

Woo hoo I can honestly say that all of my frags that other members have received from me, Never once was it for money!

 

[bookfish]

Very glad to see that at least the MR membership is considering this. I like to see member driven initiatives, rather than those being pushed from the top.

I too remember the good old days, when the coral love was all shared. But time and things change. I still have a rather large core group that I share corals with and who are very happy to share them with me.

I do understand the escalating costs of the hobby, and the need to try to offset some of the cost with coral sales, but at the same time its important to keep the spirit of swaps and sharing going. Striking a good balance is necessary.

its the masses that dictate the culture the pervades a society by thier actions. If you want a coral flea market that is what you will get. If you want a DBTC type system then start changing the culture. Make an effort to not sell that rare coral that everyone wants - share it first. In the end the good will prevail (inspite of a few failures). You don't judge a society or culture by the few that fail to abide by the cultural norm, but by the majority that follow it.

I am just glad to see that the right kind of talks have started here.

sanjay.

Well said.

 

[jay1335]

I'd def be in to do this and to help in any way possible!!! My tank is rather new so I don't have any frags yet but im def willing to do this when I am able to. Imagine if we could combine or intermingle with BAR and have an even bigger program.I'm thinking to big here aren't I? I'm just really excited about this as well!!!
Jay

 

[latino277]

Unfortunately it's not possible (nor desirable, IMO) to "keep people honest". The hope is that by the time a reefer has become a club member and been introduced to the spirit of community and sharing that a hobbyist club offers, they'll see the benefit of behaving in a community oriented way. If not for the sake of the community, then at least for the sake of the animals. The BAR program simply assumes that the vast majority of participants will behave correctly and proceeds from there. It's a true "Pay it Forward" program both in terms of the actual coral being exchanged and the spirit of generosity and goodwill that goes with it.

Now that i think about it some more... your right. If change the thinking of the comunity, there is no really need to "keep people honist" I guess the key is the was we introduced to the community. I think that people gernerally want to do the right thing and in this case will...

 

[latino277]

Very glad to see that at least the MR membership is considering this. I like to see member driven initiatives, rather than those being pushed from the top.

I too remember the good old days, when the coral love was all shared. But time and things change. I still have a rather large core group that I share corals with and who are very happy to share them with me.

I do understand the escalating costs of the hobby, and the need to try to offset some of the cost with coral sales, but at the same time its important to keep the spirit of swaps and sharing going. Striking a good balance is necessary.

its the masses that dictate the culture the pervades a society by thier actions. If you want a coral flea market that is what you will get. If you want a DBTC type system then start changing the culture. Make an effort to not sell that rare coral that everyone wants - share it first. In the end the good will prevail (inspite of a few failures). You don't judge a society or culture by the few that fail to abide by the cultural norm, but by the majority that follow it.

I am just glad to see that the right kind of talks have started here.

sanjay.

I have to been honest here.... when i posted this i thought it would run in a completly diff direction and I'm glad that we are working on this for the right reasons... reducing the stress on the envornment, prop coral, and Helping out a fellow reeffer.

We have a good group of people here to get this started and because of this I'm confident that this will work well with in MR.

 

[jay1335]

We'll never know unless we try right?

 

[latino277]

Imagine if we could combine or intermingle with BAR and have an even bigger program.I'm thinking to big here aren't I? I'm just really excited about this as well!!!
Jay

Jay, I really don't think we are far away from this and in fact the foundation and 1st step to this have already been taken.

 

[jay1335]

Awsome!! if there is anything I can do to help let me know. So who is spearheading the whole thing?

 

[dabo765]

Well even there is a for sale /trade forum here I have to give a lot of credit here to a lot of MR members here,the reason I said that is that even when you buy a pice of coral ,when you go to pick it up ether you get a very large pice that is worth a lot more or they give you somthing extra for free,like for example yesterday one of the members pm me to ask me if I wanted some frags for free.My point is that here at MR the members have there harts in the right place I personaly dont think that our members are sellfish or greety.Defitnaly I think is a good idea,if it has to start with ahand pick peopple let it be.

 

[bookfish]

I think all you need is a separate forum on this site. Then let whoever starts,...start. Whatever qualifications they put on their offering,...so be it. No rules except a basic understanding of the Pay It Forward concept.

 

[bookfish]

BTW, can you tell it's my day off?!:lol:

 

[Awibrandy]

I don't see this being a problem for the MR family. I know there are many, if not the majority of the members that are constantly giving away frags. And sometimes even whole corals. There are a few pieces in my own tank that were given to me out of total kindness as testament to it. Louismustdie, Randy(Prattreef), Michael Stern(NYAquatic), Slamajama/Mountainreef, KathyC, RStimeout, pEEshEE, Tosiek, JLaudio come to mind.
And if there are those that do not conform to the project, well what can you do. One cannot live ones life doing good with the expectation of being paid back. If we did, then no one would do good. Did I just babble on? Sorry!
I for one would not have a problem with giving. Unfortunately I do not have rare pieces, and my tank is basicaly lps/softies.

 

[NYreefNoob]

lol now how do i frag frags to pass along. i like the idea of giving a coral to someone with a set-up i know will thrive and seeing how the coral will turn out in their tank compared to mine. you can see different growth rates as well as the same coral isnt going to always have the same coloring. and i still want to know who got the purple haze piece that was sent :irked:

 

[jhale]

Yep, what Jim said.


If you can start with a small group of people that believe in the vision of the program, you can grow it from there.

we already have small groups that trade with each other. I know I've traded or given away as much coral as I have sold here.

keeping people honest will have to depend on the honor system.

 

[latino277]

OK... well... if were the one doing this.... what's to stop us... How do we get a forum created?

 

[autoponicz]

there has been plenty of trading going on here....just that its not posted,...so the BAR program has been rolling even if mentioned or not.....we just have our own way of doing things...

 

[NYreefNoob]

ill start it :tongue1: let me get a photo of the one id like to pass along, jim got a tiny piece of it, and not really sure what it is. give me a little bit john or if josh can start forum so we can get it started. i think the fairest way to do it would be to find out who all wants to do and can actually maintain pretty much any type of coral, what type lps or sps that you would be interested in doing. have someone in charge of it and draw names that corals go to, or a random coral not knowing what it is you recieved until you recieve it. i think most that truelly want to do it and can maintain any coral wont care { yes i know different corals have different needs, but the majority of sps or lps have same needs to a degree } only thing that sux for me is i never get to the city or if it is ok i will just start a thread and get a list compromised of who really wants to do it. would say you need atleast a minimum of a year or more in the hobby, put a list of equiptment as well

 

[House of Laughter]

should the forum be called MR DBTC?

House