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I have ordered fish via saltwaterfish.com that will be here Friday. My question and I have read alot of posts is to negate the drip acclimating method and to use the floating bag to match temperatures and empty water from the bagged fish and add some tank water to the bags over time before releasing into the tank.

I also read alot about a QT tank which I do not have at the moment and am working on before the fishes arrival. What you need to do when you get a mail-ordered fish is this. Put the unopened bag in the QT water for 20 minutes to equalize the temperature between bag water and tank water. Open the bag and dump out some of the water, enough so that the top of the water level just barely covers the top of the fish (this way you don't have to take a lot of the water from the QT). Now open the bag. Start putting a cup of water from the QT into the bag every 4 minutes. Your goal is to double the bag water volume every 20 minutes or so. After 20 minutes, dump out half of the bag water and repeat this process for another 20 minutes, and when that is finished net the fish into the QT. This whole process should take 40 minutes and not longer.

Any other advice if I can't get a QT tank by Friday? Thanks
 
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i have had luck with saltwater.com. dont order fish during summer or winter. what i did when i got the fish is i put the bag in the water 30 min then i drip the fish for 1hr. start out with a slow drip and every 15 min you speed up the drip. or you can throw the fish on the frying pan..lol good luck..
 

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I have purigen, Aquagel (sp) that I was going to add to the bags to prevent the ammonia killer? I heard the drip method for online fish isn't good:
do NOT drip acclimate fish that are shipped overnight. Here is the reason. When you get the fish, they have been in the bag for 12 hours or more and generated some ammonia. Because there is a lot of accumulated CO2 and not much oxygen in the bag after 12 hours of shipping, the pH will have dropped to a pretty low level by the time you get the fish. When you open the bag, all of the CO2 escapes from the bag and new air rushes in, which causes the pH to rise quickly, which turns the existing ammonia very toxic (ammonia is more toxic at higher pH than lower). This means, fish start getting poisoned the moment you open the bag.

What you need to do when you get a mail-ordered fish is this. Put the unopened bag in the QT water for 20 minutes to equalize the temperature between bag water and tank water. Open the bag and dump out some of the water, enough so that the top of the water level just barely covers the top of the fish (this way you don't have to take a lot of the water from the QT). Now open the bag. Start putting a cup of water from the QT into the bag every 4 minutes. Your goal is to double the bag water volume every 20 minutes or so. After 20 minutes, dump out half of the bag water and repeat this process for another 20 minutes, and when that is finished net the fish into the QT. This whole process should take 40 minutes and not longer.

Again, do NOT drip acclimate for hours as many people have killed their mail-ordered fish that way from ammonia poisoning. Drip acclimation is, however, ok for fish bought in the store since you take it home directly.

My tankmates on the way.
Yellow wrasse
Kole Tang
Eibli Angelfish
Hawaiian Blue Puffer
Arc Eye Hawkfish
False Percula Clown
 

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So let me get this straight you want to introduce 6 fish into your main display without Qt any of them ? Please tell me you are kidding ? I don't advise this at all. You need to return a fish or two and get yourself a qt tank or some type of vessel to qt them in. This is why there are so many disasters out there. The odds that all 6 are in perfect health without a single parisite or some type of bacterial problem is slim to none. If you need a qt borrow mine if you cant get it in time. Please reconsider this before even addressing how you acclimate them !!!!
 

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I think you should have something or qt as well, lot of fish at once, shipping stress, and tangs an be delicate. You put lot of energy into the setup, borrow a tank or two or buy one for qt I have a 29 ur welcome to borrow with hob for qt. You have time to make ro water, do a water change, and then use that water for qt tank. Shoot pm if want to borrow
 

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This is hobbyy is about doing the best you could to keep fish alive,and give them the best chance of surviving,doing something like 6 fish and no qt and especially having them all shipped in and stressed already,you gott to be patient and this hobby will be rewarding too you...i would reconsider n plan better
 

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I am waiting to see if a friend has a qt available. Would a 10 g tank be ok? I wish petco had th $1 gal sale. If I'm really stuck can I use the empty salt buckets? How Long do they need to go into qt before tank introduction.
 
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I have ordered fish via saltwaterfish.com that will be here Friday. My question and I have read alot of posts is to negate the drip acclimating method and to use the floating bag to match temperatures and empty water from the bagged fish and add some tank water to the bags over time before releasing into the tank.

I also read alot about a QT tank which I do not have at the moment and am working on before the fishes arrival. What you need to do when you get a mail-ordered fish is this. Put the unopened bag in the QT water for 20 minutes to equalize the temperature between bag water and tank water. Open the bag and dump out some of the water, enough so that the top of the water level just barely covers the top of the fish (this way you don't have to take a lot of the water from the QT). Now open the bag. Start putting a cup of water from the QT into the bag every 4 minutes. Your goal is to double the bag water volume every 20 minutes or so. After 20 minutes, dump out half of the bag water and repeat this process for another 20 minutes, and when that is finished net the fish into the QT. This whole process should take 40 minutes and not longer.

Any other advice if I can't get a QT tank by Friday? Thanks

This hobby is a learning experience so going forward I would agree with everyones' advice but given that everything is coming and there's no turning back let's see if we can make the best of it. Don't worry too much, just try to keep on top of everything.

Get yourself a 40 breeder or so with at least a hang on filter. For now get a sponge going in your own tank's sump to seed it with bacteria somewhat and make sure you have a lot of salt, an enzyme to start/add bacteria, some carbon just in case and meds that you like to use. Also some nice assorted sizes of PVC "Tees" and "Y's" for the fish to hide in.

What size tank is your DT? You don't want to add too many fish to a DT especially if it is a small tank. Sometimes the tank can't take the extra added bioload and it leads to a crash but sometimes people luck out. So even after you're done with Q, you'll leave some of the fish in the QT until the first 2 or 3 have adjusted and the tank is used to the bioload (if your tank is a small one)

Most wholesalers that ship to us (vendors) instruct us to use the drip method but I am more than confident that the method that you spoke of is a good one because there are times that I do that myself.

There are ways of NOT acclimating a fish as well:
1) test the Ph of all of the bags... they are usually the same or extremely close
2) prep saltwater to match salinity and temperature of your QT
3) Float all fish in the QT
4) Test the Ph of the QT
5) the QT water will usually be higher in Ph.... in a 40g tank I'd use about a CC or 2 of distilled white vinegar to drop the Ph of the water.
6) test the QT water Ph to make sure that it matches and adjust if needed using more distilled white vinegar and/or Ph buffer to raise it
7) once the water of the bags matches the the water in the QT, just dump the fish in minus the water that they came in

I might lose "A" fish out of 50 using this method but that fish probably wouldn't have made it anyway

8)slowly raise the Ph with buffer over the course of an hour +/-

another option: (if you're not going to setup a QT)
1) empty all of the fish in a container (usually the styrofoam box they came in BUT make sure u check the box for leaks first) and just dump all of the bags into the box and add a couple of cups of your DT water to it. Like you said, first make sure that there is only enough water in the box to cover the tops of the fish.
2)Add an airstone to the box and let the fish relax while u start a drip or your method with dumping a little of your water at a time
3)Prep a bucket of fresh R/O water and match the temperature and ph of your DT and add 10-20 drops per gallon of Quick Cure (i've used 25 drops per gallon successfully)
4)after a few hours and you see that the fish are swimming around freely not showing extreme signs of stress (please keep in mind that u have to keep an eye on temp and add a heater if necessary), take the fish 1 by 1 and put them in your bucket of RO/Quick Cure mix and relocate the airstone to the bucket. Quick Cure robs water of oxygen so an airstone is important.
5)leave fish in there for 15-20 minutes and just scoop them up and do 1 of 2 things:
a) if there are no other fish in your DT, put them straight into your DT
b) if there are fish in your DT, take a new container of your DT water and let them chill out with a cover over them before you put them in your DT. NOTE: lights in room and DT should be off as not to stress the fish

This in now way will guarantee that your fish are pest free however, if you don't have a choice for whatever your reason is, then it will give you your best chance. If a fish dies because of it, it was probably sick/over stressed anyway and chances are it would have made it in a QT either. Also, not all fish have anything wrong with them. Even if you choose to put them in your DT because you don't have a QT when the fish arrive, make sure you get one and have it on hand just in case your fish do get sick and now you have to take them out and QT them.

Best of luck

PS. I drip my fish for 30-45 minutes and sometimes less. Whatever you choose just don't rush. Give the fish a chance to breathe and relax once you have cleaner water in with them and an airstone.
 
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I am waiting to see if a friend has a qt available. Would a 10 g tank be ok? I wish petco had th $1 gal sale. If I'm really stuck can I use the empty salt buckets? How Long do they need to go into qt before tank introduction.

A 10 gallon is a little too small for that many fish unless you're going to do insane amounts of water changes.

What size is your DT?

Every wholesaler and store that I've ever seen get in an order uses a drip method but that doesn't mean that they're right. I can tell you from my own experience that I don't lose any amount of fish worth crying over from the methods that I use. There are several types of methods depending on the application.

Once we deal with sick fish and we learn the different methods of dealing with them. Everyone has to find the best method that works for them. Being that I always have fish in my system, I have to acclimate because you don't want to drop Ph on existing fish in the system.
 
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sonny, reef fixation, is giving you some solid advice. if you only have a 10g available do the best to make it work. they are not expensive so maybe pickup another 10g. youll make it work, good luck
 

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Reefixations thanks alot for the wonderful advice. I am going to go to my lfs and look for the most inexpensive 40 gal breeder if its too expensive I think I will get a 20gal with overhang filter per your suggestion.
If I do get a 20/40gal. QT tank what should the water parameters be in the QT tank? How long should the fish be in the QT tank for? When do I start to add 1 by 1 fish to the DT. Thanks alot for your advice. I really appreciate it.

When I had a reef in my 120 I always did drip method for 30-60 minutes and then tossed fish in and had wonderful success as well. The cup method IMO it appears the water goes in too quick which can stress them out.

A few questions on your write up:

First is it beneficial to use Prime/Novaqua/Amquel in the water to help the ammonia issue of the new fish may bring?

There are ways of NOT acclimating a fish as well:
1) test the Ph of all of the bags... they are usually the same or extremely close
2) prep saltwater to match salinity and temperature of your QT Do I prep SW to match the QT what is this SW for?
3) Float all fish in the QT and Test the Ph of the QT
5) the QT water will usually be higher in Ph.... in a 40g tank I'd use about a CC or 2 of distilled white vinegar to drop the Ph of the water.
6) test the QT water Ph to make sure that it matches and adjust if needed using more distilled white vinegar and/or Ph buffer to raise it
7) once the water of the bags matches the the water in the QT, just dump the fish in minus the water that they came in

I might lose "A" fish out of 50 using this method but that fish probably wouldn't have made it anyway

8)slowly raise the Ph with buffer over the course of an hour +/-

another option: (if you're not going to setup a QT)
1) empty all of the fish in a container (usually the styrofoam box they came in BUT make sure u check the box for leaks first) and just dump all of the bags into the box It's ok to mix the multiple bags of different fish water?and add a couple of cups of your DT water to it. Like you said, first make sure that there is only enough water in the box to cover the tops of the fish.
2)Add an airstone to the box and let the fish relax while u start a drip If I use drip method for this since there will be 6 bags of fish water should the drips go a little faster or the same just for a longer amount of time until the water level has doubled? or your method with dumping a little of your water at a time
3)Prep a bucket of fresh R/O water and match the temperature and ph of your DT and add 10-20 drops per gallon of Quick Cure (i've used 25 drops per gallon successfully)
4)after a few hours and you see that the fish are swimming around freely not showing extreme signs of stress (please keep in mind that u have to keep an eye on temp and add a heater if necessary), take the fish 1 by 1 and put them in your bucket of RO/Quick Cure mix and relocate the airstone to the bucket. Quick Cure robs water of oxygen so an airstone is important.
5)leave fish in there for 15-20 minutes and just scoop them up and do 1 of 2 things:
a) if there are no other fish in your DT, put them straight into your DT
b) if there are fish in your DT, take a new container of your DT water and let them chill out with a cover over them before you put them in your DT. NOTE: lights in room and DT should be off as not to stress the fish

This in now way will guarantee that your fish are pest free however, if you don't have a choice for whatever your reason is, then it will give you your best chance. If a fish dies because of it, it was probably sick/over stressed anyway and chances are it would have made it in a QT either. Also, not all fish have anything wrong with them. Even if you choose to put them in your DT because you don't have a QT when the fish arrive, make sure you get one and have it on hand just in case your fish do get sick and now you have to take them out and QT them.

Best of luck

PS. I drip my fish for 30-45 minutes and sometimes less. Whatever you choose just don't rush. Give the fish a chance to breathe and relax once you have cleaner water in with them and an airstone.
 
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I followed Swf acclimation procedures the fish are sooooo tiny 1-2 inches all are doing well except can't find wrasses since I released him trigger is still "sad" and staying like a bum maybe I need some garlic. Since the fish are really tiny any recommendations to feed them
 

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Mine go crazy for cyclop-eeze http://www.cyclop-eeze.com/product_info.php
I followed Swf acclimation procedures the fish are sooooo tiny 1-2 inches all are doing well except can't find wrasses since I released him trigger is still "sad" and staying like a bum maybe I need some garlic. Since the fish are really tiny any recommendations to feed them



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