can't get rid of aiptasia

[DEEPWATER]

WHAT????
Just to get this straight... it is advised to take a CBB out of the wild, which has a pretty poor survival rate in the aquarium, add it to your tank because it MIGHT control aptasia, but there is an ethical dilemma about taking a captive raised nudibranch (there is a guy on LI who does it. Still in business. I can't remember his company name, but I'm sure Deanos can find his website) to control a pest?

LOL i just posted the same thing .lol :wink1:

 

[jhale]

Jon i have a question for ya ,,,,when geting the psudeo from DVS ,,did you know that they are aggressive ,,im sure you did ,but yet you still putit in ,now its and is killing your tankmates right ,so in the long run ,you also put somethingin your tank ,thinking it wouldnt kill anything ,,,that being said ,,how do you get ones you cant see,,,I have 3 pep shrimp in my tank and nada ,had a CBB in my selling tanks and NADA

But yet you tell ppl to get a CBB and they infact are just as hard ,if not harder to keep then a nudi ,atleast with the nudi i can always give it away or reselll it to someone that needs it ,,,JM .2cent

your questioning my tank ethics?
as a matter of fact I did not know how aggressive the psduchromis can be, if I did I NEVER would have put it in my tank. As I stated in the thread I had done research on the fish and what I read misinformed me. What does that have to do with the nudi eating aiptasia?

As for the CBB i provided a link to an alternative method of controlling the aiptasia. If one feels the CBB is too hard for them to keep then don't get it.
It's not the same as knowing for sure an animal is going to die.
As for taking the nudi out of the tank and passing them on that's fine, as long as you can catch the nudi, in a larger tank that would be hard.

 

[DEEPWATER]

your questioning my tank ethics?
as a matter of fact I did not know how aggressive the psduchromis can be, if I did I NEVER would have put it in my tank. As I stated in the thread I had done research on the fish and what I read misinformed me. What does that have to do with the nudi eating aiptasia?

As for the CBB i provided a link to an alternative method of controlling the aiptasia. If one feels the CBB is too hard for them to keep then don't get it.
It's not the same as knowing for sure an animal is going to die.
As for taking the nudi out of the tank and passing them on that's fine, as long as you can catch the nudi, in a larger tank that would be hard.

Im just asking :wink1:

as for the CBB isnt it fair to say that if you know that there is almost little chance for the fish to live ,then it should be on the same topic as a nudi ,or a clearer wrasse ....


But yet i have no way of getting the anemones inbetween the rocks ,,
they dont need light ,only food to fed on ,thats is why they are in the sump ,overflows and so ...

Also is it right to kill an apitasia ,,it that an animal and alive :Thinking: buti guess since its a pest we are allowed to kill it..lol

 

[scarf_ace1981]

are the CBB considered difficult because they don't eat? cuz mine eats prepared foods. does that increase it's chances or are there other things that factor in.

 

[DEEPWATER]

are the CBB considered difficult because they don't eat? cuz mine eats prepared foods. does that increase it's chances or are there other things that factor in.

once you get them to eat you should be ok

 

[jhale]

Also is it right to kill an apitasia ,,it that an animal and alive :Thinking: buti guess since its a pest we are allowed to kill it..lol

if your going to go there that's whole other discussion that will take the rest of our lives :headache:

as for the CBB, I did not want people to go out and buy them, I wanted to show what one well known reefing group has found. yes they should have stated they are difficult to keep. also on the top of the page is a good intro to kalking.

I see aiptasia as a problem the needs to be controlled, I just don't want another animal to die for my problem, that's what it comes down to for me.
Is it right to kill the aiptasia ? I see it as saving the coral that I have put in my tank.

 

[DEEPWATER]

,,,I know i want the nudis for abit till they did there job ,then to the next person it gos ,,as i stated before ,i bought a CBB and have Pep shrimp in my tank ,and they do nothing to the aiptasias ,,so my next move will be the nudis that is my only option right now to rid of the coral kill aipatasia ,LOL
when im done with ill pass on to you ,,

as you can see,no1 really has any success with CBB or Peps ,nor Kalk or joe juice ,half of the ppl dont even use joes juice according to the direction ,with states you must siphone out what you just killed so it wont spread in the tank ,,

basically is a loss/loss

 

[reefman]

what does CBB stand for?

copper band butterfly fish

 

[jhale]

WHAT????
Just to get this straight... it is advised to take a CBB out of the wild, which has a pretty poor survival rate in the aquarium, add it to your tank because it MIGHT control aptasia, but there is an ethical dilemma about taking a captive raised nudibranch (there is a guy on LI who does it. Still in business. I can't remember his company name, but I'm sure Deanos can find his website) to control a pest?

it was not advised, I did not say lets do a group buy on CBB's I posted a link for people to read.

when im done with ill pass on to you ,,

as you can see,no1 really has any success with CBB or Peps ,nor Kalk or joe juice ,half of the ppl dont even use joes juice according to the direction ,with states you must siphone out what you just killed so it wont spread in the tank ,,

basically is a loss/loss

okay I'll take the nudi when your done with it...pay it forward :lol:

see you just educated me, that's what I'm talking about. I had no idea you had to siphon out the dead aiptasias, no wonder they keep coming back.
now where were you a year ago to tell me not to get the stupid psedochromis? :anger2:

 

[scarf_ace1981]

Dead aiptasia don't multiply.

why would you have to siphon them out?:scratchch

 

[loismustdie]

I won't go into the whole "what I would like to live and die in my tank" discussion. As Jon said, this is something that would take the rest of our lives.
I will say that some bad information has been put out on this thread. As a matter of fact, I'm sitting here right now reading 2 books by 2 different authors (actually, 3 different authors since one book was written by 2 guys) touching on water quality and aptasias. Oh yeah, their overall advice... find out what is wrong with your water first, then worry about the aptasias. Otherwise it is an unending plague. To survive in clean water with limited amounts of food, or with clean water and great lights is one thing. Survival is very different from flourishing.
There has been little talk about aptasias on the site since I've been home (I got back in the winter). Now that the weather is warming up and temperature control is more of an issue, more posts are comming up about aptasias. Warm water= less O2. Less O2 and heat= die off. Die off causes water quality issues and here come the aptasias.
BUY A CHILLER.
I can get a wild caught CBB wich has a poor survival rate and might eat aptasias, or I can get a captive raised nudibranch which needs to eat aptasias to survive. Which one would I chose to get? And how does the guy who captive raises the nudis raise the aptasias to feed them? In a warm tank with water quality any of us SPS keepers would consider poor. Let's not get into the ethics of reefkeeping. We've already gone through this with the "reality of fish collection" guy.
I've been wrong before. Hell, I love constructive criticism. I don't see it as a bash and can retort without being all offended. I've never set foot in a college classroom and know for a fact that the majority of MR members are much smarter than me. But I can see what is right in front of my face and I can comment on things I've seen happen in my tank and I can throw the flag when bad info has been put out.
If you have decided on the nudi, my advice to you, which is from experience is, take at least 3 hours to drip acclimate it. When you place it in the tank, place it far from aptasias. It is stressed. The aptasia can turn around and eat it. It will be visible a lot. Removal isn't that hard. Catch it and pass it on. They will also eat capnellas. If you have any, remove it. I hope this helps you out if you decide to get them.

 

[loismustdie]

I hate to see this one go away so fast. Members might learn something from it so....:bump:

 

[loismustdie]

GARFs answer to aiptasia.

The CBB

We've already got one mod who posts a link to every question posted. If everyone posted a link for questions, would we really even need Manhattan Reefs. Just go Google. I understand that i may have been out of line for calling you guys wrong, but being a moderator doesn't mean you are always right. I only speak from experience when a question is asked. I do not post links which sometimes have misleading/vague information.
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[Reefer420]

hey scarf_ace if you need joes juice I have some and no aiptasia- I'll give it to ya for a few bucks off that ballast

 

[Breezp]

theres a chemicle made by chemarine, its called stop aptasia, and its totaly reef safe, and u inject in thriugh a saringe into the middle of the aptasia, and the aptasia dies instantly and falls off in 24 hours.
http://www.islandaquatics.com/product_detail.php?category_id=4&product_id=25

 

[Deanos]

Chris, I'm not sure what your agenda is, but it seems to be bigger than aiptasia control. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the mod you're referring to, as posting links to every question posted, is me. In this thread, I haven't posted any links, so why mention that? If my links offend you, simply put me on your ignore list, and my posts won't appear in any thread you read.

But :backtotop, I agreed with your statement about high nutrients fueling aiptasia growth, but I also wanted readers to understand that aiptasia will survive and reproduce in a low nutrient system, if there's sufficient light and/or detritus floating around. Fixing a water quality issue will do nothing towards reducing the population of aiptasia already in a tank.

 

[scarf_ace1981]

the first error i committed as a newb was buying some LR and corals w/ these aiptasia. i'm calling them aiptasia but have yet to make a positve id. the guy gave me a whole container of aiptasia. i began to nuke them but then left them alone and now they are an eye sore.

i've put a pic on the first thread.

 

[Deanos]

i've put a pic on the first thread.

LMAO...all this banter and those look like majanos. :type:

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

Joes Juice em

 

[scarf_ace1981]

LMAO...all this banter and those look like majanos. :type:

LMAO. well aren't they aiptasia also?