Wp25

[ajk'sReef]

There has been a lot of talk about this pump it looks to be really good and I would bye on BUT I've come across this so are they gonna still be selling them or what!!!!!!!!

 

[bhazard451]

Until a court says otherwise, you'll be able to buy them overseas and from fish street without issue

 

[Rob&Gab]

there okay to go. its just a lawsuit they will get over it lol. find it for a good price if you can jump in a group buy do it. it will save you around 40$

 

[ajk'sReef]

there okay to go. its just a lawsuit they will get over it lol. find it for a good price if you can jump in a group buy do it. it will save you around 40$

All the group buys I have seen are already closed for now. Thanks for the info

 

[Moneymaks24]

Dude it's $26 shipping who cares your still only paying $100 verses $350. IMO I'm not rich by any means but I fail to see the advantage of dealing with group buys and waiting forever just to save $15.

 

[E.intheC]

Is anyone surprised at this?

 

[ajk'sReef]

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Dude it's $26 shipping who cares your still only paying $100 verses $350. IMO I'm not rich by any means but I fail to see the advantage of dealing with group buys and waiting forever just to save $15.

Did u see me say anything about the price. Don't care if it was 200 if I want it I buy it. But if I can save 25-30 then why not. I made a post that had nothing to do with the price of the item. Maybe u should read my first post.

 

[Rob&Gab]

Dude it's $26 shipping who cares your still only paying $100 verses $350. IMO I'm not rich by any means but I fail to see the advantage of dealing with group buys and waiting forever just to save $15.

wasn't complaining about the price to him, i was helping a friend out. also its not about the 26$ shipping its straight 58$ shipped LOL. not 105$ and if i can help him save some money then hell yea im gonna tell him.

ALSO AJ if you get the MP25 lmk how it works out for you.

 

[duke62]

No one cares that another cheap chinese company has stolen someone elses patent huh just as long as they are cheap ridiculous and everyone wonders what is going on in this country. Will not respond again. But we have another member on here that had his patent stolen by cheap Chinese manufacturer. And how does this one dude on here know so much about these pumps? curious

 

[Rob&Gab]

No one cares that another cheap chinese company has stolen someone elses patent huh just as long as they are cheap ridiculous and everyone wonders what is going on in this country. Will not respond again. But we have another member on here that had his patent stolen by cheap Chinese manufacturer. And how does this one dude on here know so much about these pumps? curious

Who is that implied to.? just curious (lol)

 

[E.intheC]

No one cares that another cheap chinese company has stolen someone elses patent huh just as long as they are cheap ridiculous and everyone wonders what is going on in this country. Will not respond again. But we have another member on here that had his patent stolen by cheap Chinese manufacturer. And how does this one dude on here know so much about these pumps? curious

Yup. I agree on both points.

 

[bhazard451]

No one cares that another cheap chinese company has stolen someone elses patent huh just as long as they are cheap ridiculous and everyone wonders what is going on in this country. Will not respond again. But we have another member on here that had his patent stolen by cheap Chinese manufacturer. And how does this one dude on here know so much about these pumps? curious

Except no patent was stolen, and no lawsuit has been filed.

There is a lengthy discussion on Reef Central from an actual patent lawyer stating why Tunze would lose in court and have their patent possibly invalided if someone brought in a solid defense team, and had the money to defend themselves.

The patent in question is a design patent, not a utility one like Ecotech has. The cease and desist states the design is ornamental and was copied. All of design is actually functional, like the 360 degree holder and the water inlet. Jebao did not copy anything ornamental, like having "Tunze" written on the side. A Koralia pump has the same type of inlet shield, which is functional in nature. It allows water into the pump from the sides.

The design patent itself would then be subject to be rendered invalid if the courts agreed on its functional nature. A design patent is basically worthless, unlike a utility one as they can slightly modify the casing and continue to sell it even if the courts did side with Tunze. Even then, they would still be imported unless there was ITC intervention.

Tunze did not make the first propeller pump, so they are unable to get a utility patent on it, and never will. Why not say Tunze copied their propeller design from the original inventor of it, if we go by the same logic being applied to Jebao just because they are chinese?

You should be angry at Tunze for trying to strong arm smaller retailers into limiting competition, since they know the small retailer would rather just not sell them than be sued or lose Tunze as a distributor. That's as monopolistic, anti-competitive, and anti-capitalistic as it gets, yet you're angry at the chinese company and not the german one?

My pumps are also 4 months running strong, and someone else I sold my MP40s to is a very happy owner of them. Win/Win.

Actually know what you're talking about and research things before making assumptions and bringing nationalism into it.

 

[Rob&Gab]

Except no patent was stolen, and no lawsuit has been filed.

There is a lengthy discussion on Reef Central from an actual patent lawyer stating why Tunze would lose in court and have their patent possibly invalided if someone brought in a solid defense team, and had the money to defend themselves.

The patent in question is a design patent, not a utility one like Ecotech has. The cease and desist states the design is ornamental and was copied. All of design is actually functional, like the 360 degree holder and the water inlet. Jebao did not copy anything ornamental, like having "Tunze" written on the side. A Koralia pump has the same type of inlet shield, which is functional in nature. It allows water into the pump from the sides.

The design patent itself would then be subject to be rendered invalid if the courts agreed on its functional nature. A design patent is basically worthless, unlike a utility one as they can slightly modify the casing and continue to sell it even if the courts did side with Tunze. Even then, they would still be imported unless there was ITC intervention.

Tunze did not make the first propeller pump, so they are unable to get a utility patent on it, and never will. Why not say Tunze copied their propeller design from the original inventor of it, if we go by the same logic being applied to Jebao just because they are chinese?

You should be angry at Tunze for trying to strong arm smaller retailers into limiting competition, since they know the small retailer would rather just not sell them than be sued or lose Tunze as a distributor. That's as monopolistic, anti-competitive, and anti-capitalistic as it gets, yet you're angry at the chinese company and not the german one?

My pumps are also 4 months running strong, and someone else I sold my MP40s to is a very happy owner of them. Win/Win.

Actually know what you're talking about and research things before making assumptions and bringing nationalism into it.

ive been reading up on it on reef2reef, its crazy how this fell threw with this wannabe lawsuit.. its so dumb.. i hope jaebo wins.

 

[bhazard451]

ive been reading up on it on reef2reef, its crazy how this fell threw with this wannabe lawsuit.. its so dumb.. i hope jaebo wins.

Its not even a lawsuit. Its just a cease and desist letter to certain US retailers and group buy organizers, which is meant to scare them, and has no legal standing.

If ignored, the party involved would have to defend against Tunze in court. A simple group buy organizer everyday forum member won't have the resources to do this, and Tunze knows it. Tunze spends little money and effort to remove competition this way. It doesn't help against overseas sellers though, just local ones.

 

[duke62]

Except no patent was stolen, and no lawsuit has been filed.

There is a lengthy discussion on Reef Central from an actual patent lawyer stating why Tunze would lose in court and have their patent possibly invalided if someone brought in a solid defense team, and had the money to defend themselves.

The patent in question is a design patent, not a utility one like Ecotech has. The cease and desist states the design is ornamental and was copied. All of design is actually functional, like the 360 degree holder and the water inlet. Jebao did not copy anything ornamental, like having "Tunze" written on the side. A Koralia pump has the same type of inlet shield, which is functional in nature. It allows water into the pump from the sides.

The design patent itself would then be subject to be rendered invalid if the courts agreed on its functional nature. A design patent is basically worthless, unlike a utility one as they can slightly modify the casing and continue to sell it even if the courts did side with Tunze. Even then, they would still be imported unless there was ITC intervention.

Tunze did not make the first propeller pump, so they are unable to get a utility patent on it, and never will. Why not say Tunze copied their propeller design from the original inventor of it, if we go by the same logic being applied to Jebao just because they are chinese?

You should be angry at Tunze for trying to strong arm smaller retailers into limiting competition, since they know the small retailer would rather just not sell them than be sued or lose Tunze as a distributor. That's as monopolistic, anti-competitive, and anti-capitalistic as it gets, yet you're angry at the chinese company and not the german one?

My pumps are also 4 months running strong, and someone else I sold my MP40s to is a very happy owner of them. Win/Win.

Actually know what you're talking about and research things before making assumptions and bringing nationalism into it.

You have one photo memory? Why do you push these pumps so hard?

 

[bhazard451]

You have one photo memory? Why do you push these pumps so hard?

The same way other people push their Vortechs, Tunzes, Profiluxes, Mitras, Apex, Reef Octopus, Geissmanns.. etc. I like them a lot, and they work very well. The price/performance/value is outstanding and has never been done before. People should know, and the more experiences being shared by everyone, the better. If these were crap and died on me, I would have made it known just as well.

I've been waiting for a pump like this for a long time. I had to buy my MP40s used because I couldn't stomach paying the full retail price, which cost more than my whole tank itself.

I now have all the Vortech modes mimicked for the Jebao through my Reef Angel now, and it only cost $25 for the cable. The WXM module alone for the Apex and Reef Angel was $99-$124. That's a huge bargain for the same type of movement and controlled through a reef controller.

 

[duke62]

What kind of return pump for your tank do you have?

 

[bhazard451]

What kind of return pump for your tank do you have?

Lifeguard Quiet One, Reef Octopus skimmer, BRS reactors, cobalt MJ-1200s (for the reactors) With the MJ-1200, the chinese marineland versions definitely do not have the quality of the Cobalt ones. They even say on the marineland package that they cant handle back pressure, but the cobalts can. The chinese ones make an extremely loud whine if you close a valve on them, and can break. I bought one of each and could immediately tell the difference.

Yes, there are some chinese low quality versions of products out there, but I don't feel these pumps are one of those. Not yet anyway, anything can happen within a few years.

 

[duke62]

So when you can say you would use the jabao pump on your return then i would say hey maybe i was mistaken but still wont buy it but good option for others.Since you wont trust your return on a cheap knockoff pump like a jabao why should anyone trust spending 100 bucks on these. I know for sure if vortech had a return pump i would pick it up without hesitating because i know they are great and Tunze and Danner. But no one on this site or any other site has stated they used any of there other products on their reef

 

[bhazard451]

So when you can say you would use the jabao pump on your return then i would say hey maybe i was mistaken but still wont buy it but good option for others.Since you wont trust your return on a cheap knockoff pump like a jabao why should anyone trust spending 100 bucks on these. I know for sure if vortech had a return pump i would pick it up without hesitating because i know they are great and Tunze and Danner. But no one on this site or any other site has stated they used any of there other products on their reef

I actually want to try the waveline rebadge from Jebao that I saw on reef builders. I just can't find anyone selling it.

It would have to be under $150, because that's what the quiet one pro costs, and it works great for me.

Tunze is fine, but if Jebao can make a similar wave making pump for $100, how much profit is Tunze actually making after all their business expenses? We'll never truly know.

Say if Tunze responded to them and dropped their price to $200-250 with a controller if they could and still make a decent profit. I'd go with Tunze then, because I'd see more value going with them. It isn't like that though, its 4x the price. I don't see the value in that. Customer service is not worth 400% of the cost over a similar pump, no matter how good it is, especially if the cheaper pump lasts just as long.