- Location
- Sullivan Co
Than I suppose people like Boomer, Bertoni, RHF are prone to speculation?
What AlK/Ca/Mg do you use to supplement?
- Thread starter Reefcowboy
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- Location
- Bellmore, NY
- Location
- Long Island
Thats a good point.
I did not know salinity would increase over time with two part dosing...interesting.
Wondering if other people have more input.
+10 hands down
- Location
- poughquag, ny
and the brs isnt the same as the esv,esv has other stuff in it if your having a tough time deciding here is some links for you
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=20623577#post20623577
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=21511391#post21511391
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19651820#post19651820
funny the person to say brs i do believe made the recipe for brs
and once i find this one link i will post it, it really breaks it down between the two
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=20623577#post20623577
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=21511391#post21511391
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19651820#post19651820
funny the person to say brs i do believe made the recipe for brs
and once i find this one link i will post it, it really breaks it down between the two
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- Location
- Brooklyn, NY
Randy Holmes Farley (RHF) on this exact subject: see post # 4. and beyond.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19648276#post19648276
" The extra dilution is no concern.
IMO, B-ionic is a fine two part to use. The amount of all of the "other" ingredients do not really result in raises to anything else. At least they are not supposed to.
What they do is leave a residue that is supposed to match NSW when all of the calcium and alkalinity is used up.
That's really what you want, and what all two parts should strive for, although I have no idea how well any of them attain it, or whether they even try. ESV/B-ionic at least professes to try. "
I've asked Boomer to comment here as well. Sorry, I didn't turn up anything from Bertoni, though admittedly, I didn't look very hard.
- Location
- Duluth, Minnesota
On BRS, there have been more issues with their two part than most others, putting out bad batches. There are reasons why you see where a 2-part like ESV requires less than BRS.
1. More concentrated
2. Hydrated salts are less vs Anhydrous salts (<--not paying for water) = More concentrated also.
If one does a 30 % WC / m there is no accumulation of unwanted ions.
Be they TE or ions like Cl-, Na+, SO4-, etc, . Some ions do accumulate but often is not the SW mix or 2-part but from foods or other sup's. But media like GAC and Purigen drastically reduce TE.
Most manufactures have most reefers by the tail, selling them things they DO NOT need, often with gibberish nonsense claims of you needing it.
A good point here:
Strontium, there is not ONE shred of evidence they need it but all manufactures tell you, you do need it. It is up taken because it is in the water column and fits into the Aragonite crystal lattice real nice, substuting for a Ca++. And if you took the Sr++ out if the water there would be no substitution and the growth rate would more than likely be the same.
Hmm, wonder why there is hardly no Mg++ in that Aragonite ? And it is @ ~1300 ppm in NSW and Sr ++ is 8 ppm. Um, because it does not fit into the crystal lattice of Aragonite. But wait, what about Uranium ? Wholly crap, if we look at molar fractions amounts in NSW vs the Aragonite crystal lattice and its Sr++, we should be dumping Uranium into reef tanks by the dump truck load. Who wants to go first ?
1. More concentrated
2. Hydrated salts are less vs Anhydrous salts (<--not paying for water) = More concentrated also.
If one does a 30 % WC / m there is no accumulation of unwanted ions.
Be they TE or ions like Cl-, Na+, SO4-, etc, . Some ions do accumulate but often is not the SW mix or 2-part but from foods or other sup's. But media like GAC and Purigen drastically reduce TE.
Most manufactures have most reefers by the tail, selling them things they DO NOT need, often with gibberish nonsense claims of you needing it.
A good point here:
Strontium, there is not ONE shred of evidence they need it but all manufactures tell you, you do need it. It is up taken because it is in the water column and fits into the Aragonite crystal lattice real nice, substuting for a Ca++. And if you took the Sr++ out if the water there would be no substitution and the growth rate would more than likely be the same.
Hmm, wonder why there is hardly no Mg++ in that Aragonite ? And it is @ ~1300 ppm in NSW and Sr ++ is 8 ppm. Um, because it does not fit into the crystal lattice of Aragonite. But wait, what about Uranium ? Wholly crap, if we look at molar fractions amounts in NSW vs the Aragonite crystal lattice and its Sr++, we should be dumping Uranium into reef tanks by the dump truck load. Who wants to go first ?
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- Location
- Sullivan Co
- Location
- Brooklyn, NY
There is no argument over raising salinity, all 2 part systems raise salinity. It is the accumulated trace element part I take issue with.
- Location
- smithtown, long island
I was paying over 90$ a month on esv part 1/2.. I now make my own. I'm really good at it, I use a blender for making alk after baked.. It costs me like 3$ a month now.. Been using it over a yr now
- Location
- smithtown, long island
Btw this is the randy 2 part recipe..converting from esv to this was very stressful, I did it very slowly w no I'll effects.. I dose 240 ml alk, 200 calcium, a day..
My alk is 10.8 so I'm slowly going down but that's where my tank likes to stay, 500 calcium, 1500 mag,
I change water 1 time a week sometimes 2x a month, only 20-30 gallons at a time on about 550 true gallons of water.
I have a good amount of Sps and other corals as well.. Even when they get huge I can't see myself dosing double.. I never likes reactors.. To each their own.. Btw I use to dose manually for 3 yrs!!!!! Lol
My alk is 10.8 so I'm slowly going down but that's where my tank likes to stay, 500 calcium, 1500 mag,
I change water 1 time a week sometimes 2x a month, only 20-30 gallons at a time on about 550 true gallons of water.
I have a good amount of Sps and other corals as well.. Even when they get huge I can't see myself dosing double.. I never likes reactors.. To each their own.. Btw I use to dose manually for 3 yrs!!!!! Lol
- Location
- Union County, NJ
i have been leaning towards esv. I have a 29 w total volume at about 35-40. My tank is mostly LPS with a handful of sps. Because i probably wont be dosing as much as some of you big tank guys i dont think it would be too costly.
my question to anyone whos used esv before is do you have to dose Mg separately or is it premixed with the ca or kh?
my question to anyone whos used esv before is do you have to dose Mg separately or is it premixed with the ca or kh?
- Location
- patchogue long island
Calcium reactor best thing I ever did a lot more stable than doseing
- Location
- Brooklyn, NY
You need to dose Mg. separately as needed.
- Location
- Mahopac NY
BRS 2-part is a godsend. Same with their carbon and GFO.
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