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Julian,

Respectfully, I think you are correct to take a more defensive stance on the C. taxifolia and to scrutinize available literature as you are heavily involved in the marine industry. It is my understanding that caulerpa prohibition has been tabled recently in political circles, and I understand your upset and distrust of much of the media spin on the reality of the problems. I think the reason many are quick to defend the virtues of taxifolia is simply because they think a ban will result if it is indeed as invasive as purported.

I am very undecided on the issue as I feel that, should caulerpa become banned, there will undoubtedly be other options available to aquarists as advancements are made in the hobby.

I do think it is much safer to err on the conservative side as I am well aware of the cost of invasives world wide, and even here in the U.S. Visit www.invasives.org to learn more about what we do to combat our own terrorist species.

I would be interested in seeing some of the published "debunking" work on taxifolia, however, as I have only ever seen work that paints it in a bad light. I don't know why any surveyers would misreport the coverage in the Med, nor do I know of any places that benefit from having this invasive around. It is an encroaching weed, and it is my understanding that most all fish will not feast on it, and that its growth rate easily overtakes corals.

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Posted by TheFishHead:
It should make you wonder why aquarists find that the plant improves the conditions in their aquariums when some scientists are saying the plant kills habitats and makes fish go away. The contradiction should make it obvious to you what is really true.

-I don't quite understand the "obvious" part here. If a hobbiest allows Caulerpa to run wild in their tank then it will also change or possibly kill their present habitat.
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HOLY CRAP!!! I wasn't aware that you were a member Mr. Sprung

There are many God's attop the shrouded heights of Mt Reefs.org, they do appear infrequently and impart pearls of knowlege to us mear peons. Oh, and Julian bums around sometimes too
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Joke Julian, respek to the professional massive
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Since I have now recieved 5 emails informing me of this thread, I feel almost compelled to respond.

I am familiar with a small number of papers that Julian has referred to regarding habitat, etc. I would not consider myself extremely familiar with the literature on this subject, but likewise I do think it would be nice if he were to include in his response those particular references he uses to make the points so that we were not left to merely take his word for it, and would be in a better position to examine those veracity of those references critically.

I think this issue is very similar in many ways to the zebra mussel invasion. Initially a nightmare, time has tempered the invasion as it has in fact provided some benefits. However, any potential benefits aside, the inasion of non-endemic species is a historical fiasco and an ecological taboo. The number of pertinent subjects in the literature from the land snails to feral cats and cane toads Eucalyptus, rats, fire ants, algae, is immense. Someone carefully scrutinizing the literature could probably find cases where such introductions were ultimately beneficial. The vast vast majority of cases, however, have resulted in conditions ranging from mildly negative to environmentally catastrophic.

In any event, remotely condoning, justifying or rationalizing introductions of non-native species, non-endemic species or invasive species is , to put it mildly, not very ecologically responsible, irrespective of the validity of laymedia reports which are, in general, to be avoided as a source of factual information.

In regard to C. taxifolia, it should be obvious that entire congresses, symposiums, and task forces wouldn;t be devoted to this issue were it merely an exaggeration and/or beneficial. Simply providing habitat is not necessarily a good thing. I think the artifical reefs issue has plenty of documentation to support this. Providing habitat when the habitat itself may be naturally depauperate is not necessaily a good thing. Providing altered habitat is not necessarily a good thing. Providing habitat for some things at the detriment of others is not necessarily a good thing.

In regard to nutrient absorption, thats great in an aquarium, although I have argued that Caulerpa has to be one of my least favorite algae in aquariums, too. The wild is not an aquarium. Removing nutrients means removing energy sources for other native flora and fauna.

In regard to aquariums, Caulerpa spp. produce a wealth of toxins. The release of gametes can wipe out a tank. Rhizomes have acidic secretions that erode limestone. Removal of it can be nearly impossible. Caulerpa can penetrate living coral tissue, and has actually pierced through Xenia in my own tank in the past. Not only do I disagree with the statement that Caulerpa makes conditions in the aquarium better, in whatever unsubtantiated and undefined terms that might be taken, but I cannot see the correlation with aquariums and invasion into non-native habitats in the wild whatsoever.

Also, I think the documentation of caulerpine toxins on fish is well established and to support this and other points, I have found the following links with references, perhaps more than the links themselves (example, the french link with a very good reference list), for further information. Also are two reports from groups/persons that should be taken as extremely credible (note the anstaskforce.gov report with references).

http://www.com.univ-mrs.fr/gisposi/gistest/ctaxifolia/biblio/content.html

http://www.sci.sdsu.edu/CMI/swilliam/swilliam.htm

http://www.ridnis.ucdavis.edu/caulerpaconference2002info.html

http://plants.ifas.ufl.edu/database.html

http://www.anstaskforce.gov/Caulerpa.htm

from a Florida Marine Fisheries/SeaGrant site:

in the Mediterranean, Caulerpa taxifolia occupied 1 m2 in 1984; 30 ha by 1991; 1000-2000 ha by the end of 1993
* in the Mediterranean, the alga is causing a "major ecological event" (Boudouresque et al., 1995)
* in the Mediterranean, Caulerpa taxifolia invades the dominant seagrass, Posidonia oceanica, and in invaded areas able to kill up to 45% of Posidonia shoots in one year (Villele and Verlaque, 1994)
* where it is found in the Mediterranean, other native seaweeds are being more or less totally replaced
* the numbers of individuals of Mollusca, Amphipoda and Polychaeta in Caulerpa taxifolia meadows is greatly reduced (Bellan-Santini et al, 1996)
* Caulerpa taxifolia is toxic to herbivores such as sea urchins and fish; where the plant is the sole food source, then these herbivores are eliminated
* caulerpenyne extract inhibits or delays the proliferation of several phytoplanktons of the marine food chain (Lemee et al., 1997)


Bellan-Santini D, Arnaud PM, Bellan G, Verlaque M. 1996. The influence of the introduced tropical alga Caulerpa taxifolia, on the biodiversity of the Mediterranean marine biota. J. Marine Biological Association of the United Kingdom 76(1):235-237
* Boudouresque CF, Meinesz A, Ribera MA, Ballesteros E. 1995. Spread of the green alga Caulerpa taxifolia (Caulerpales, Chlorophyta) in the Mediterranean: Possible consequences of a majro ecological event. Scientia Marina 59(Dec)Suppl. 1:21-29
* Boudouresque CF, Meinesz A, Verlaque M, Knoepffler-Pegue M. 1992. THe expansion of the tropical alga Caulerpa taxifolia (Chlorophyta) in the Mediterranean. Cryptogamie-Algologie 13(2):144-145
* Boudouresque CF, Bellan-Santini D, Belsher T, Duclerc J. 1992. The introduction of the green alga Caulerpa taxifolia into the Mediterranean: The repercussions for the indigenous communities. Communication Presentee Au 6th European Ecological Congress, 7-12 Sept 1992, 52:88-89 (Abstract)
* Ceccherelli G, Cinelli F. 1999. Effects of Posidonia oceanica canopy on Caulerpa taxifolia size in a northwestern Mediterranean bay. J. Experimental Marine Biology and Ecology 240(1):19-36
* Chisholm JRM, Joubert JM, Giaccone G. 1995. Caulerpa taxifolia in the northwest Meditteranean: Introduced species or migrant from the Red Sea?. Comptes Rendus de L'Academie des Sciences 318(12:1219-1226
* Chisholm JRM, Dauga C, Ageron E, Grimont PAD. 1996. Roots' in mixotrophic algae. Nature 381:382
* Delgado O, Rodriguez Prieto C, Gacia E, Ballesteros E. 1996. Lack of severe nutrient limitation in Caulerpa taxifolia (Vahl) C Agardh, an introduced seaweed spreading over the oligotrophic northwestern Meditteranean. Botanica Marina 39(1):61-67
* Jousson I, Pawlowski J, Zaninetti L, Zechman FW, Dini F, Di Guiseppe G, Woodfield R, Millar A, Meinesz A. 2000. Invasive alga reaches California. Nature 408:9 November 2000
* Lemee R, Pesando D, Issanchou C, Amade P. 1997. Microalgae: a model to investigate the ecotoxicity of the green alga Caulerpa taxifolia from the Mediterranean Sea. Marine Environmental Research 44(1):13-25
* Lemee R, Pesando D, Durand-Clement M., Dubreuil A. 1993. Preliminary survey of toxicity of the green alga Caulerpa taxifolia introduced into the Mediterranean. J. Applied Phycology 5:485-493
* Meinesz A, Benichou L, Blachier J, Komatsu T, et al. 1995. Variations in the structure, morphology and biomass of Caulerpa taxifolia in the Mediterranean Sea. Botanica Marina 38:499-508
* Meinesz A, de Vaugelas J, Hesse B, Mari X. 1993. Spread of the introduced tropical green alga Caulerpa taxifolia in northern Mediterranean waters. J. Applied Phycology 5:141-147
* Ribera MA, Ballesteros E, Boudouresque CF, Gomez A, Gravez V, editors. 1996. Second Internationl Workshop on Caulerpa taxifolia, Barcelona, 15-17 December 1994. University of Barcelona. 457 pp.
 
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Eric Borneman:
<strong>In any event, remotely condoning, justifying or rationalizing introductions of non-native species, non-endemic species or invasive species is , to put it mildly, not very ecologically responsible...</strong><hr></blockquote>

I do agree, and I take it a step further to say that often researchers and wildlife managers try to institute biological controls by adding yet another invasive species to the mix. For instance, when Hawaii wanted to rid themselves of an invasive snail, they added a predatory invasive snail and then found that the new predator actually preferred Hawaii's rare endemic species of snails. Ooops.

A French research team is currently trying to justify the release of its own species of snail into the Mediterranean. They think they've found a snail that will only consume C. taxifolia. All tests were performed in lab though, and real world applications tend to differ as an animal will search long and hard to find some food. I only hope they come to their senses and do not release it as these bio-controls almost always have unintended consequences.
 
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Bump for Julian to post refs with positive caulerpa effects in the oceans.
 

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How do I know which kind of caulerpa I have? (sorry, I know this is a very green question)
thanks Lynn
 

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Baensch Marine Atlas Volume 1 has a very good description of many marine plant species and their variation in forms under different environment.
 
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Lynn:
<strong>How do I know which kind of caulerpa I have? (sorry, I know this is a very green question)
thanks Lynn</strong><hr></blockquote>

Most newer marine aquaria books have pictures in them. Also, try a search on the web. There are usually only 4-5 species that make it around the aquaria circles.
 

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