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davelin315

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I was wondering what the affect is. Completely encrusted live rock is not going to be as porous if it has a living organism growing on it that encrusts like coralline algae does IMO. Does excessive coralline growth choke out live rock and decrease its ability to maintain bacteria and life within itself? I don't know how porous coralline is, but I would think that it would choke out at least a portion of your LRs filtering ability. Any takers?
 

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Dave, having a little problem sleeping, I see someones been up pondering some deep mysteries.
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To answer your question I would say that your tank might be overstocked if this is a concern.
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jUST MAKING SURE YOU SAID CORRALLINE.?
If its coraline I think your more than ok. I actually think that enhanses the rocks ability by incresing its surface area, not to mention the sings of a healthy well established tank.
Just make sure your calcium level is maintaned b/c coralline sucks it up.
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Coraline algae encrusts LR and reduces its porosity. It reduces its filtration capacity. This has been discussed before. You might try Dr. Ron forum with a search.
 

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I would be enclined to agree with you Dave. At least in the respect that it would reduce the inoxic denitrifying zone. Especially as this zone is reliant on the porosity of the rock. Could be onto a good point here, but at the same time i also beleve that LR is one of the most underestimated aquarium components. So therefore allthough the denitrifying properties of the rocks may be reduced in all i dont think the water will be affected.

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The porosity will decrease the more the rock becomes encrusted, eventually turning into decoration only.

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Mouse:

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allthough the denitrifying properties of the rocks may be reduced in all i dont think the water will be affected.

Please elucidate.

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I don't see that as a problem unless you have a set up w/ reef timber or some other non-rock thing behind the top live rock. Ever see the rock in the middle and bottom of your tank that isn't exposed to light? There should be plenty of bacteria on that stuff. It's a good question though, and it makes me wonder what would happen if you had really nice coralline encrusted rock, built on reef timber... hmmmm......
 

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Well, my take is that rocks encrusted with coralline will have greater denitrifying ability then completely porous rock, but have a negative effect on nitrication. Makes perfect sense to me, if seen in terms of the only significant variable for nitrifcation/denitrification: oxygen availability.
 

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Dr. Ron isn't always right..

Coralline isn't going to ruin your rock and turn it into decoration only if it gets too thick.. the rock in the shop reefs is super thickly encrusted.. and the tanks are still running fine. Thick coralline is the least of things to worry about in a fish tank..
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The rock I purchased already had a good 1/4" of coraline covering it. My tank is running great a year later. Find something else to worry about people!!
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Also, for those few of you who just say things based on to facts whatsoever, like "eventually turning it into decoration only" please don't do this. There are newbies cruising around that might believe you. Thank you.
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Easy guys, he's just wondering if there is any effect on the systems ability to process nitrogen if coralline algae covers up most of the available surface area, not to chuck any rock w/ coralline because the tank's going to crash. This isn't a life and death matter, obviously.

So the bacteria may shift positions as a system ages and some of the rock loses it's surface area, just interesting facts to help us understand our tanks better. So much for an intelligent discussion... "Thank you".
 

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my understanding is that the main purpose for wanting coralline (which is attractive) is that it uses the same nutrients (i.e. nitrates) that other forms of less attractive algea also use(i.e diatoms hairalgea ect) thereby inhibiting their growth.

when you decide to scrape it off send it to me i have a new tank ordered that I can seed with it
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Leonard, I just took my first look at your homepage. That is one of the nicest reefs I've ever seen. The way you set up your site is very impressive too. Lisa and I just spent a half hour caught somewhere between admiration and outright envy. How long has the tank been set up?
 

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Wow, there's a lot of differing opinions here. By the way, I'm a night owl because I'm on call from 7PM to 7AM half the nights of the year, including weekends, so that's why I'm always on really late sometimes. If it's slow, there's not much else to do (can't mess around with my tank at 4AM, and can't mess around with power tools anymore either cause I have a baby that I don't want to wake up).

Back to coralline algae, I was not aware that coralline algae used up nitrates. Although I always knew it was an algae, I never put 2 + 2 together (it equals 3, right?). I was always under the impression that coralline algae used calcium and iodine and some trace elements to build itself and grow, never thought of nitrates. Anyway, back to the discussion. The main reason I ask is because I'm very curious about how it can affect our little ecosystems. Obviously, coralline does not grow in the dark, so the underside of our rock is usually exposed versus being encrusted, but I wonder how much water can actually flow through coralline algae. Has anyone ever looked at it under a microscope? I know that coral skeletons are very porous, as they are more or less a maze of tiny fissures and pathways, but does coralline algae share the same structure? It obviously has no polyps to extend, so I would think that the pattern we find on most corals would not exist. Ever try looking through coralline? The light gets through it okay, but what about water? I wonder about these things as people lament the fact that their rocks are not covered in it (mine aren't either, although portions of it have coralline growing on it). I know one of the benefits is that algae has a hard time establishing itself on healthy coralline, but what are the other real benefits (not including aesthetics)? Someone has suggested the nitrate consumption which is news to me (not being sarcastic, I just never thought of it as a true algae), but what other benefits are there? It doesn't house bacteria, does it? If it is very dense, then wouldn't it be like buying crappy rock that is very dense? The measure of good live rock is how porous it is as far as filtration is concerned IMO, so how is very good porous live rock affected by being heavily encrusted with coralline?

Where's Jack Handy with his deep thoughts to join me at this late hour.....
 

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Unfortunately in no scientist, but i feel that the denitrifying propertys must be affected in some respect. But i also feel that even in a corraline saturated state LR still provides the best source for denitrification. What is not clear is weather the minimum requirement for LR to denitrify a system would be increased/decreased should that rock be covered in corraline. I go for increased, but if you have ever seen what is supposedly the minimum requirement for your system in comparisom to what you actually have then you would be surprised at how little rock is needed. Infact it would hardly be a reef tank with only that requirement of rock. The required ammount of rock to denitrify my system (25gallons) is basically one medeum sized rock. Not really much room to grow a reef on.

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