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Carpentersreef

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The picture is of a goniopora. Xenia is a different coral. Look closely at the polyps. xenia's are feathered, while goniopora are not.

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jiml77

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There was a flowerpot coral in my tank when I bought it used. It was receeding badly and eventually died. It looked a lot different that the Ebay one. It had a round top and looked like a pot of flowers.
 

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It is indeed an goni. Stay away as the majority do not make it past 6 months in a reef aquaria.

plus, purple flowerpot my butt.....
 
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your was probably not extending fully if it wasn't feeling well. The one in the pic looks like a goni to me.
 

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Its a goni (a healthy one though). I bought one a year ago as a newbie , under the recomendation of my lfs. There was a point where it almost died. But it came back to life, and is still expanding. I guess I am just lucky, because it is the coolest coral.
 

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PCRAGG, is your tank skimmerless? Or are you feeding heavy on plankton or plankton substitute? I have heard people going skimmerless have a much higher success rate with goni's. Just need to verify the attributes to your sucess.

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No, I have a five foot home made skimmer which works pretty well most of the time. I dose dt's maybe once a week. When it was dying, all of the orangish pigment disappeared and left it bright green and withered. There was also some black tissue chunks coming out of some tentacle holes. I thought the goni was toast. Then one day, no more black chunks. The orangish color returned and it has been expanding for about four months now.
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you'd better get as many good pics as you can now - because IME it will surely waste away. I kept one for a little over two years before it started receeding and slowly died. Here is a pic of it about three months ago
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and here is a pic of it about two months ago
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and it receded and receded until there was only a tiny patch left. Finally I had to take it out
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I've had mine for close to a year and a half. IME it's hardier than any other coral in my tank. It only looks better and better. I think that the goni's scary reputation for dying off in old-school aquaria is preventing a lot of modern aquarists from enjoying a potentially rewarding coral. People that have never owned one seem to perpetuate this. Then again, they might be correct.

FWIW,
Matt

p.s. feed the s##t out of em.
 

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i think that they are better left @ the lfs. the store i use has a few nice ones in there. they have been there for months cuz the reefers seem to know better and pass on them. i had one and it didnt last a month. might of jus been my in experience @ the time. i have heard of them being found isolated by sewage drains where they run off in the ocean.
 

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Gonioporas are better left in the ocean. The problem is that once the membrane is broken, it will die. It might take several years, it might take several days, but it will die in the long run. Also, goniopora are harvested by breaking a head off of a colony. Inevitably, the colony will also die. Just because it swells and gets larger doesn't mean it's going to live. I have never ever ever seen a goniopora in anyones tank anywhere that was actually growing new tissue. Many of them expanded, but you will notice that on every single goniopora you see in the store, there are sections of it's skeleton that you can see. Never will you see one that is overgrowing this skeleton. That is because it's in the process of dying instead of growing. I had success with 2 pieces of goniopora, but the only reason I did was because they were growing on a piece of live rock. They hadn't been broken off of a larger colony, but instead, were the beginnings of a colony themselves. The grew a tiny bit, and after several years, I broke down my reef and gave them to a friend. They died within a couple of weeks. Also, I don't know why anyone would ever mail order a goniopora. They cannot handle shipping to begin with to get to the seller in the first place, and then to want to ship one again? Crazy.

By the way, you can also tell the difference between xenia species and goniopora and alveopora by looking at the number of fingers each polyp has. If I remember correctly, goniopora has 24 fingers on each polyp, alveopora has 12 fingers on each polyp, and xenia (which is a completely different species, not even a stony coral) has 8(?).

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Dave:
Right, Xenia, being a regular soft coral, has eight, while the others hard corals have six or multiple of six.

However, some of my Xenia have 15 fingers. Some people called it the "birding" Xenia. It is two arms merged together (2X8)at a non-pulsing finger (16-1). so when it pulses, it looks like it is birding at people.

No, I do not dose radioactive Sr and Iodine.
 

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<<I have never ever ever seen a goniopora in anyones tank anywhere that was actually growing new tissue. Many of them expanded, but you will notice that on every single goniopora you see in the store, there are sections of it's skeleton that you can see. Never will you see one that is overgrowing this skeleton. That is because it's in the process of dying instead of growing. >>

They are certainly not hardy, but there are success stories. RichK for instance has a large ETS skimmer and has had his goni for like 5 years, and it has produced several daughter colonies over the years. I have also recently seen goni tissue regrowth in one of the tanks I've been feeding golden pearls heavily.. for instance, I had a shroom rock come in in which the shrooms had taken over the skeleton of a goniopora and were killing it off.. there were only a couple dime sized patches left. The mushrooms bleached in shipping or wholesale and eventually died.. and since, the gonio has come back and now covers 90% of the rock. I don't intentionally stock goni, and still don't recommend it especially for a new tank, but there have been success stories, even in damaged tissue colonies. FWIW, I have a non-photo soft coral (scleronepthya?) that is also growing in the same tank. Never say never.
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It might be worth noting that the red and branching forms are supposed to have much better hardyness than the round green form (sorry, forgot the latin)
 

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Just said that I personally have never seen success stories in tanks before, with the exception of the ones I had that were not broken off of something. That's great that you've had success (I'm very envious as they are beautiful corals) but like you, I would never (I do mean never) recommend trying one. If you must, the alveopora have a much better reputation, so try one of them (directed at people who haven't gotten a goniopora before).
 

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Emperator:
<strong>plus, purple flowerpot my butt.....</strong><hr></blockquote>

In case you thought they didn't exist
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