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randy holmes-farley

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I'm looking to investigate whether I can come up with a cheap, DIY, simple (read idiot proof) one part solid balanced additive for calcium and alkalinity.

There are several ways to go about this, but for one I'd need to know what people have found as conveniently available and cheap calcium chloride (or possibly calcium sulfate) that they think is reasonably clean.

Thanks in advance.
 
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We used to CaCl2 to melt ice and weight tractor tires. Bought it in 50# sacks, and it looked as uncontaminated and debris free as the pickling or rock salt that you can get at the grocery store. I've seen it in many other farmers co-ops, too.

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I seem to remember drive-way deicer was recommended. I think the product name was "Heat". Looks very much like Kent's Turbo Calcium.

But your request is confusing:

one part solid balanced additive for calcium and alkalinity.

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cheap calcium chloride (or possibly calcium sulfate)

Neither of these provide alkalinity how can they be balanced? How could they be used as a one part solid balanced additive?
 

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I wasn't suggesting that I was telling people how to do it yet. Cheap calcium chloride would be a component of what I am planning. Not the only component. Baking soda and epsom salts would be likely other components.
 

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The only inexpensive source I've found for calcium chloride is driveway de-icer. Consulting my Merck Index it seems to indicate the following:

  • * "Cubic crystals, granules or fused masses. ...The commercial product is about 94-97% CaCl2, the chief impurity being Ca(OH)2. ..."

    * "Dihydrate, hygroscopic granules, flakes or powder. ...Commercial grades contain 73-80% CaCl2." (The balance of this is chiefly water of crystallization.)

Later it lists that "The dihydrate and hexahydrate forms are used ... to melt ice and snow ..." Based on this I think that the de-icer is most likely the dihydrate/hexahydrate form of CaCl2.

For calcium sulfate (gypsum), the Merck indicates that the dyhydrate form is the one that is the most soluble in water. However it does not list how soluble it is in water. From a quick net search it seems to indicate that it would be somewhere around 3 g/L. Here's an interesting thought: I've been following some of Habib's thoughts on his 1 part calcium/alk supplement (calcium acetate). Maybe you could dissolve the gypsum in acetic acid (i.e. white distilled vinegar) to bring it into solution better? The acetate would eventually be oxidized by bacteria and whatnot into usable alkalinity. I don't know how feasible this is however.

For the alkalinity portion of this I would gather you are probably going to use a 6:1 ratio (or somewhere thereabouts) of baking soda to washing soda and the epsom salts as a magnesium source.

Thoughts?

Shane
 

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Something along those lines, yes.

Not being a manufacturer or LFS, I don't care if it is something that is sold, or something that people make themselves with a detailed recipe. Something like, take 1 box baking soda, mix together with 1 box of (whatever turns out to be a good, cheap CaCl2 source), and then add as much as necessary each day to your tank to maintain alkalinity (you'd only need to ocassionally measure calcium, or vice versa).

The main point is to make a single additive that was equal in cost to CaCl2 and baking soda supplements, but that would eliminate the calcium/alkalinity roller coaster. In others words, an idiot proof single solid supplement that can be added directly to the tank.

In reading chemistry problem posts, it appears that people frequently have a substantial problem with that issue.

Since it would largely be a mixture of CaCl2 and NaHCO3, it would still suffer from the slow climb in sodium and chloride that these additives suffer. In part, that's why the MgSO4 is there: to at least keep Mg++ and sulfate from declining. Whether most people also have a sodium or chloride issue is less clear. Many of the people that would use such a supplement have relatively low calcification tanks, or else they would have already typically switched to a two-part additive, limewater, or a CaCO3/CO2 reactor.

In such low calcification situations, the trend toward raised Na+ and Cl- is very slow. Add back magneisum and sulfate, and I'm not sure that you're missing much (maybe nothing, depending on the impurity profile, there might already be too much of most everything else).
 

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