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eddi

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Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but I see a lot of messages on this board that refer to garlic-soaked food. Exactly what king of garlic are they referring to? Is it regular garlic extract from a supermarket??? And is it diluted in water first?


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hossfly

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I've seen this posted also. my thought would be to use only the kind found in it's natural state inthe ocean depths. What? there isn't any in the ocean? Does that tell you anything? LOL
 

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It's best to use as pure a garlic extract as possible (those not foritifed with other supplements). Many supermarket/health food bought garlic extracts are suitable for use. Allicin and its sister compounds is the primary active ingredient that gives garlic it's ability to ward against a wide range of parasites. The question is whether the topical adminstration of garlic in aquariums is effective.
 

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My experience with garlic in treating ich has been very effective. Both my puffer and hippo tang have had ich, which promptly cleared up after a few days of feeding them with garlic-soaked food.

Maybe it wasn't the garlic, but in the case of the puffer, it was a rapid turn-around in health after a slow, downward spiral into white spotty-ness.
 

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Yes I have found the use of garlic extract effective with mild ich cases and as a preventative to avoid the problem altogether.
Sometimes it is difficult to find so I think it best to keep one bottle in your fridge for a rainy day.
Get garlic extract (Kyolic brand) not garlic juice which is diluted
 

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I speculate the quantity of citric acid in food supplements like garlic extract is usually minimal and beneign. Citric acid itself, is a weak organic acid that isn't toxic to anything we're concerned about. It shouldn't be anything to worry about.
 

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I use Kyolic from GNC and I've had very good luck with it....

Do a search on this board a previous pose by (I believe) Tom O'Toole explained that garlic 'masks' fish from the ich parasite.....and this is, in my mind, the only plausible explanation for why garlic works.
 
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Go ahead and get some Kent's Garlic Extreme. It least it's made ( :roll: ) specifically for marine fish. And it doesn't have to be refridgerated. Or at least the directions doon't mention refridgeration.

That's what I use! :wink:

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naesco

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Louey the garlic extreme is overpriced so try to find garlic extract from a LFS.

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I do not understand your question.

You need to take pieces of nori or other dried food and put some of them in a cap from a jar. Add liquid garlic extract so that it soaks into the food (about 20 minutes)
Feed it to the fish and feed often and only garlic soaked food for 30 days even if the ich goes away for a few days.
 
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naesco":3mufsl1f said:
Louey the garlic extreme is overpriced so try to find garlic extract from a LFS.

True, but if you don't know quite what you are looking for, it is a good alternative.
 

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Leonard":34z72j4f said:
I speculate the quantity of citric acid in food supplements like garlic extract is usually minimal and beneign. Citric acid itself, is a weak organic acid that isn't toxic to anything we're concerned about. It shouldn't be anything to worry about.

Leonard, anyone,

We were able to find a bottle of McCormick Garlic Juice at the local Wally World (Mal Mart) for $3.96 for 2 ounces. In addition to citric acid it says it has less the .1% potassium sorbate, and sodium bisulfite(added as preservatives) 1/2 tsp.= 1 avg. clove garlic, minced Do you think this brand is ok?
 
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How about using a garlic press on some garlic? A couple bucks at your local grocery store used on real garlic. Is that the correct garlic? Is there another type?
 

tazdevil

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I do know this: I just started feeding my fish garlic-soaked food, and they did exhibit an increased feeding response (were more eager at getting to the food). Now, whether this is a short-term thing (new taste bringing on curiosity etc.) or an actual long term continuous response remains to be seen. The garlic, from what I've currently seen, may entice some finicky eaters to eat.
 

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A few points to ponder...

A previous post mentioned Allycin, the "active" ingredient in garlic extract that works like an antibiotic.

As with all antibiotics, they are designed for targeted, profilactic use, not systematic supplemental use. Over-use is the common error, which reduces efficacy. Any parasite which may be inhibited by garlic, may form a natural resistance if it is used daily as a food supplement.

There are irrefutable examples of garlic stimulating feeding response, and promoting recovery from ich. But the smart move is to use it only when it is indicated -poor feeding response, signs of ich onset, etc... and then only sparingly for a short period of time ( a week to ten days) in small doses (a drop or two per feeding.) It is not the panecea, and it a period of treatment does not work, then more garlic will not work.

Melafix and/or hyposalinity protocol are effective as well. Melafix is a tea tree extract that simulates the tanins found in litoral mangrove regions. As soon as I can find the link to melafix treatments, I'll post it. It can be found at: www.thereefweb.com under the discussion section.

The proper way to prepare food is to let it thaw to room temperature in the garlic solution, ensure it soaks well and is thoroughly mixed in and semi-absorbed before feeding. Some data suggests that only internally absorbed garlic produces the healing response. Who really knows?

Excess garlic pollutes the water, and may be detrimental to other little critters in our filters.

My vote, there are effective ways to treat ich, that involve no chemical additives (hyposalinity) and others that are a little more natural and non-polluting (melafix) which are certainly worth further discussion...

Nellie
 

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It's questionable that garlic has any therapeutic effect on prisoners in your tank (beyond the short term placebo effect of introducing new taste).

Long ago, people believed in all sorts of miraculous properties of garlic (including that of vampire repellant).

However, to give this new fad a try you don't need to spend a fortune on extracts from either the health or aqua industry snake-oil peddlers.

Simply crush a clove of garlic and you'll instantly have the freshest and purest, yet cheapest, source of garlic oil (ie. allicin).

LeoR

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For long term positive effects, try variety in food instead.
 

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Dizzy do not buy McCormicks as it it mostly water and the idea here is to get as much garlic extract in the fish a quickly as possible.
You need to buy garlic extract which you can buy from a health food store. The name that commonly comes up is Kaolic brand.

Leo don`t knock it until you have tried it.
 

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Nelliereefster":3ub8ik9l said:
.Melafix and/or hyposalinity protocol are effective as well. Melafix is a tea tree extract that simulates the tanins found in litoral mangrove regions. As soon as I can find the link to melafix treatments, I'll post it. It can be found at: www.thereefweb.com under the discussion section.
Nellie

Nellie what is the title of the article on melafix? I went to the site and did not see it. Also it would seem to me that a week to 10 days might not be sufficent to rid a tank of ich by feeding garlic soaked foods, especially if like Horge (per Nathan) suggests we don't know how it is working exactly. If garlic is working by masking the fishes presence from the ich, it would need to stay effective until the parasites had completed all stages of their life cycle, which would defintely be more than a week, and possibly up to a month. Do you believe the benefits of garlic linger for quite awhile after feeding? I think this is fascinating subject matter and one of utmost importance. I also believe that certain corals may release chemicals of some kind that kill the parasites, as I have seen it go away untreated in several different tanks.
 

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