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Henry1

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I read with amusement an advert in our local paper of a 'MiracleBeam Aquarium Laser' treatment that could improve the colour of all fish.
The advertiser claimed that its a 'world's first' of such product which origin from the USA.

Anyone know of this technology? Any clue?
 
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It's even got the cool treasure chest
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I wonder what the "warning label" says?
 

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These are not "NEW" and the warning label actually says Danger Laser light and so on just like one of those laser pointers.

It cant be improving the color of the fish. Unless they mean it looks neat when a fish passes through the beam of light

I guess if you want a novel night light it couldnt hurt though.
 
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Well, someone is buying all that colored gravel and the little castles and divers... :roll:

In a sense its not even funny; it reflects the mentality that reduces the fish to being mere ornaments, to be discarded when the novelty has worn off (if they are still alive at that point).
 

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Wow you mean i can have a tank full of blind fish with detached catterach, excellent. And then when ive finished chopping them up with my remote controll submarine, i can go and rescue all the little pieces from the bottom with my diver man, hmmmm pretty fishes, pretty fishes <drool>
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just sent them an email asking them to provide any evidence to back up their claims on the positive effects on fish health, etc.will be interesting to see if they reply.
isn't there some organization in the pet industry to prevent companies from making blatantly fraudulent claims like this in their sales pitch, so newbies don't get suckered in? :evil:
 

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vitz":2pp53f2m said:
isn't there some organization in the pet industry to prevent companies from making blatantly fraudulent claims like this in their sales pitch, so newbies don't get suckered in? :evil:

Your LFS store shelves would be empty if that was to happen. I'd guess 80% of the crap places sell is not needed. And the few useful items still likely have crazy claims on them.
 
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OK I actually read it this time. :oops: I thought it was intended as a visual effect, but they are claiming it helps the health of the tank.

hmmm, I don't have the facts to argue one way or another, but those claims sound too good to be true... I'm skeptical.
 

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I'm gonna start selling a modified mag-light to replace those bulky MH's.... I swear they work great !! Only $69.99 ! Hehhehe ! Hell, if people bought the pet rock, I'm sure they'll buy this ! :) And if you call right now..... hehehe
 

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Reefguide":co4l1fgd said:
I'm gonna start selling a modified mag-light to replace those bulky MH's.... I swear they work great !! Only $69.99 ! Hehhehe ! Hell, if people bought the pet rock, I'm sure they'll buy this ! :) And if you call right now..... hehehe

Sounds like a Weiss Smart-Lite to me.
 
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this stuff has got me to thinking on an issue that got me all hot under the collar years ago.truth in advertising,at least for certain types of products, like food and water additives.

i'm coming from the premise that when consumer advocacy laws don't work, it's only because they don't get used by the public(public's fault), but the laws are still necessary.

also, that any product sold on the retail market with the intent for consumption by any animal, must have full disclosure of ingredients, in a specific list('artificial flavors'- is unacceptable, each 'flavor additive' must be listed).the reasons for this should be self-evident.

there are watchdog groups for human consumptibles, and it seems like the dog & cat food industry kind of holds to the same standards, though this may be due to the consumer demand for quality product, as opposed to an 'independent' advocacy group.

with the exception of the fish food industry, and some of the higher end additive products (too few!) there seems to be no regulatory requirements, or accurate listings of ingredients whatsoever- in spite of the fact that all additives to an aquariums water are 'consumed' by the fish and other critters!(osmotic absorption, dominoe effect of the additive on the environment,etc.).

in theory, anyway, anyone that adds a material to our environment, or produces an item that enters our body directly, can be held accountable for its safety, or lack thereof, if in fact it's proven that it's unsafe.animal owners have a responsibility, and moral obligation to demand the same tools be available for the objective determination of the companies' product claims to ensure the health and well being of the animals.

i have yet to hear of organizations like pijac, mac, etc. to address this side of the 'aquarium husbandry side' of the industry.many of these products actually interfere with this hobby's advancement, and may actually 'harm' (or do nothing) our charge's well being.

obviously false claims made by companies regarding their products should not be allowed, even if the non performance of those claims are not detrimental.

any company that makes any general claim about their product should be required to publish data results of all tests upon which their claims are based.

a saltwater anti ich product once marketed in the late 70's- early 80's was nothing but a penny in a 'sock'! FAMA ran an article on it, and it dissapeared- yet today, we have a much larger range of products that are meant for direct application to our 'life support' systems-from vita chem to coral vital to a whole host of other products, which have extremely vague ingredients lists, and make claims that have yet to be shown to have any basis at all, scientific or otherwise!

if the hobbyists or lead organizations like the above mentioned,would start to question the validity of these products by requesting from these various companies, test results, and making either the results, or the companies non-compliance with the requests, known, then imho, the entire tropical fish industry, fresh and marine, would advance far more quickly, with less dropout from the hobby, and increased longevity of many aquatic species as a whole. :cry: :x

i understand that this is a product driven industry, but only to a certain extent.the industry exists only because the hobbyists, chumps or not, support it.any industry that looks only to serve itself, ignoring the wish of the consumers it serves will ultimately fail(though it may take long).pijac et al are obviously too short sighted, and too industry sympathetic to do what they should be doing, yet the groups that are hobbyist oriented don't seem to care, either...

someone i worked with in this biz was fond of saying 'never smarten up a chump'-chumps are what ruin this hobby, and kill animals unnecessarily. not being able to smarten up some chumps is no excuse for not trying to help and protect the well meaning, but naive, beginner.

leaving the soap box ...
 

Henry1

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Marcoreef, thanks for the link. . and everyone else for the candid as well as concerned sharing. 8O 8O

I couldn't believe we still have manufacturer who treat this serious hobby with 'toy-stuff' concept.

I'm not convinced about the review by Fishzine nor their studies on the effects of laser on tropical fish.

Are there known scientific evidence that laser could be used to treat pathogens in water?
 

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I emailed them about a year or so ago. They sent me some terrible abstract from a laboratory in China. I tried to find my old post here or at RC but no luck. They were trying to show increased health or blood flow in hatchery fish if I can remember it correctly :roll:
 
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o.k., folks-here's the transcript of the email inquiry i sent them



To Whom It May Concern,
I saw the advertisement for your 'Miracle Beam' product on the net, and I was wondering what data you have to support the claims made regarding the effects of the device on fish's health,
specifically the increase in life span,bacteria reduction rate via purifying the water,egg incubation rate increase, and disease resistance increase.I eagerly await your reply.
Sincerely Yours,
Vitz

this is the reply:

Please see excerpts from study on our web site under press releases.

Sincerely,

Ken Epstein
MiracleBeam
12922 Pierce St.
Pacoima Ca. 91331
818-890-4303
818-890-5384 Fax
www.miraclebeam.com

there oughta be a law... :evil:
 
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hi.
From : http://www.miraclebeam.com/study.html
Study on Effects of Laser on Tropical Ornamental Fish
China Academy of Sciences 1998
The results of many studies have proven that laser can increase the growth of an organism, but it an also restrain its development. Depending on the wavelength, power, and time of laser radiation, the results can vary because of the conditions. The results of our experiments in the past few years have proven that the incubation rate of eggs from map fish, five-colored immortal fish, and immortal fish has all increased. Laser radiation on gold fish and Mary fish can help their growth. Laser radiation on peacock fish and sword tail fish can increase their colors while the quality of gold fish take on variation after radiation. Our experiments also proven that fish and eggs that have receive laser radiation have increased their disease resistance and experienced lower mortality. ...

I am going to call them, but my prejudice is that they won't be able to show me anything more than the "abstract." Please notice that it only give you the year and name of the organization. I looked in http://www.cnc.ac.cn/ and http://www.cashq.ac.cn/ for the info, but to no avail.. :roll:

Oh, in case you don't know, the "peacock fish" is commonly called the "guppy." And incorrect application of the laser can harm and kill fish.
 

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