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cenzo

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I just got live sand from my LFS and the way the people where talking about the tanks it may have copper in it I just set up my tank about one week ago will this hurt? If I where to do some water changes will it help?
 

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If the tank had copper in it, that sand will have it in it. Depends on what type of tank your going to do then. Reef- corals are copper-intolerant, won't survive well. Fish only- you'd want as little copper in it as possible. Big water changes would be necessary to do this. Find out if the sand had been exposed to copper ever in your LFS's tanks. (BTW, fish only with an anemone is the same as a reef basically, anemone's HATE copper).
 

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Dont trust the LFS to do a proper test-they'll probably do one that will indicate only treatment levels of copper. In actuality, you probably won't detect it in the water (unless you have a highly sensitive test). It's present in the sand itself (like a contaminent in soil). That doesn't make it any less lethal to corals though. The sand may be entirely safe (inverts don't tend to take well to copper either, so if live worms are present, I believe that would be a good sign), just check to see if they ever used copper with that sand present, or mixed that sand with sand from prior that had copper in it.
 

cenzo

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I they told me they put copper in the main system and for me to do two or three watter changes in the next few days
 

tazdevil

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I'd personally never consider that sand safe. Just too many possible variables involved. Maybe one of the chemists on here can give you some advice (Randy-holmes or Minh), however, I'd just not take the risk. Good luck with whatever you decide.
 

cenzo

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What should I do buy a test kit and do some water changes will that help it?

Over time will my rock make seed the sand and make it live again or do I need to rip the tank down and start all over agian?
 

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For all the worrying it will cause and the cost of the test kits, etc, why not just abandon that particular sand and get some other sand. Just buy some fine grain sand, and seed it with a few pounds of live sand from somewhere that you can trust.
 

cenzo

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Before I rip the tank apart again I would like to check it first would the test kit help me find out or will the sand just never become live?
 

tazdevil

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As I posted earlier, I dont believe you can get a test kit that will do this. Your test kit is built to test the water, not the sand. Also, the traces of copper in the water leached by the sand would probably be too low to detect by the test kit. This DOES NOT make it safe. If your willing to spend hundreds on lighting, equipment, and corals (they're not to cheap), dont go cheap on the sand and take the risk, IMHO. It's ultimately up to you, but you've been warned.
 

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I basically agree with tazdevil. As long as your pH stays high you probably won't be able to measure copper in the water. If it ever drops, however, copper can be released from the sand.
 

cenzo

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Thanks for all your info being the tank is only one week old it's not that bad im going to just dump and start all over.
 

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That would be the safest way to go did you place LR in the tank with the sand. I would think it would have to be rinsed if you did.
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You know I would think that you would have mentioned that you were setting up a reef tank to your LFS when you purchased the LS and LR. I am no expert but from all that I have heard copper would ultimately kill off most corals. I would investigate more into the facts re: copper in a reef tank. I think that if you invested some $ in LS and LR the LFS should do right. If it turns out that even at very low levels the copper would kill off any investment I say you have a small claims case here hopefully some restitution .
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Minh Nguyen

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If your LFS treat their fish with copper in their system, and this is where the samd and the LR are from, I would not buy it. If you bought some of the rock from there, return it.
Once contaminated, the sand and rock will always have coper and will release it when pH drop like at night. I had system contaminated with coper from a RIO pump disaster before. The problem I notice is that the diversity is much less and the tank never did well. I dumped the whole thing and started over with my system.
You have a new tank, I would return the rock, dump or return the sand and start over. If the contamination is very light, you may be able to do OK. How much contamination is light, how much is bad contamination? I don't think we know, so I would just get rid of the rock and sand. Use all new water also.
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cenzo

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I put the sand in the trash the water down the drain and put the two pieces of live rock that I had under fresh water for a min not knowing if this would help, the rock came from another store and was only with the &*^*& sand for about a day or two.
 

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Good for you.!! sometimes you gotta let it rip.(like taking off a bandage) Sometimes the best mistakes are the ones we learn from.
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