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Bubafat

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Chucker-thanks, that was my point.

Paul-I'm sorry, but I was going off of what I saw on your website. There were only a few SPS's and one clam. Like I said before, you have a beautiful tank with very healthy looking corals (even if it is a little too blue and dim for me :lol: ).

nanobrad-please stop with the personal comments, it does nothing to further discussion.

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goldenboy

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I too keep lots of sps in my 40gal reef under ice-capped VHO lights.
I have purple acros with blue tips, among other sps in orange, red, yellow, green and just about any other color that you can think of. I also keep a rose bta, ultra croceas and ultra maximas that are on the reef floor incidentaly. and everything grows very fast in my tank.
 

Bubafat

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Good to hear goldenboy...but my point is, is that clams do best on the floor, but in larger tanks with 24"+ depth, this isn't possible. I wouldn't come close to disagreeing that you can't keep clams or some acro's under VHO's in shallow tanks, but unless you have a 6-8 inch sandbed, I wouldn't dare put a clam in a 55 gallon+ tank lit by VHO's or PC's.

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goldenboy

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I couldn't agree more Buba. The largest tank that I would ever consider putting VHO on would be a 55 gal. anything larger and I would definately go MH.
 

ecoman001

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I have had 2/55 gal tanks in the past with VHO's. I tried to keep clams
and acros and did have some success, but almost no growth out of my
acros. In January of this year I set up my dream tank a 300 gal
sps, soft corals and clam tank w/400w MH's and 4-48" VHO's. The growth
rate in this tank is at least 400% more. The colors of my acros are amazing greens, blues, hot pinks and purples. And my sarcophytons
are growing out of control!!



Signed MH Nazi 8O
 

LilFishInBigPond

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If it works for you, it works. All tanks are different, therfore, there is no 1 way.

I've tried many different peoples methods of tank set-up, all worked, all had own LITTLE problems. I've tried there set-up method, it worked, it grew, and it thrived. Every method I've tried, I learned from. It's hard to expand your knowledge with out trying something new. I, like so many other people, stumbled on their site from a list of contacts in the back of Martin Moe's Marine Handbook. I've since seen it recommended in books by Borneman, Sprung, Fenner, Delbeek, and Tullok. Those highly respected authors seem to think garf is bonafide enough to be published in their respected books. If they felt garf was bad in ANY way, they wouldn't risk printing garf's name in the book. If garf was spouting garbage, those authors wouldn't have even mentioned garf.

Like ecoman001 stated, you'll get slower growth with VHO but it will still live and thrive if other factors are met too(calcium,alkalinity, etc..). It all depends on conditions your trying to create. Your not gonna run out and buy mh's for deepwater conditions, just like your not going to run out and buy vho's for a 24" and deeper reef crest tanks that grow outa control and has high light level clams on the bottom with out a DSB. Of course sps are going to grow faster under mh's. Like Paul A. Ifkovits said:
"It is an old arguement that can be seen over and over"

You people flame garf over trying to develope promote their own way, which works VERY well for them. If I had a method I'd developed, of course I'd promote it. I'd want to tell the world. By the way, I don't see to many clams on their site, or even mentioned at that. Garf is not saying there way is THE WAY, they are providing you with a way they have found to work, and has worked for many other people.

Selling items, and making money, is not new to non-profits. Most all sell something in a way, ie. Green Peace calanders. I hear they do eco-tours too, and of course they have to charge for it(bills=need for income). You can't survive on grants and donations alone(a few do, more power to them). Looks to me, like they are trying to survive and to fund a public aquarium in Idaho. Since they do sell stuff, OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING TO PROMOTE THEMSELVES, it would be stupid for them not to. I've not been to a business site yet that doesn't promote themselves. And yes, non-profits are a business. Aren't most web site promoting something?

I think its great some one is selling sps corals that are acclimated to VHO's, what a great way for some one to have a sps tank on a budget, and have it be aquacultered. You know what conditions they came from, try and figure out what lumen strengh a wild coral had, it would only be a guess. No one in the south pacific is going to write down what depth, water clarity, and position on reef the coral they collected had. To them, that one coral doesn't count, it's the days catch that matters.

Some things they do may be goofy to you, but telephones, TV's, computers and cars were goofy to people when they first arrived. Think what might of happened if know one ever belived in those people whom thought up those idea's or if they'd never "promoted" them. Well I invented the car, but I hate promoting, guess I'll move on to the next one and shelve it.
 

tarponjim

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I've had good luck with them. Seem like descent people. What I purchased arrived healthy, on time and was what I expected. No false advertising. I think some people have ordered and wasn't aware they they are selling frags and not large colonies. As far as I'm concerned, they're just another mail order site.
As far as their practices - everyone does things their own way. Find one that works for you and stick with it. I've got mh's and vho 03's. There are lot's of things we all like to argue. Want to have some real fun - ask about DSB's!! That usually get the crowd going. I usually just read.

As far as GARF. If you like something and was thinking of purchasing it. I would.
 
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tarponjims said:

Want to have some real fun - ask about DSB's!! That usually get the crowd going.

Nah, that won't get em started. Start a thread called "Whats wrong with my powder blue tang, there's plenty of room in my 20 long"

Now, that would start a flame war everytime! :P

Louey
 

esmithiii

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Nah, that won't get em started. Start a thread called "Whats wrong with my powder blue tang, there's plenty of room in my 20 long"

Or better yet, how about a thread entitled "Photographs prooving that my 150 DE HQI bulb is brighter than your 400W Iwasaki"

Ernie
 

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