Anemone questions?
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I hate to be the barer of bad news but here we go:
Lighting is the most important aspect to keeping an anemone and most all if not all require Halides.
Placement is impossible in any size tank let alone a tank as small as a 20. If the anemone was to make contact with another coral it would most likely lead to the death of that coral.
Being that you already said that your 20 gallon is a reef tank I am assuming you have corals, would you risk all of your corals lives today, tomorrow, and 1 month from now even if you were able to house an anemone successfully.
What happens all the time is the anemone will thrive and grow, therefore it's reach would increase (therefore stinging and killing corals it never could reach before) and or it would dislodge itself (whether form a rock or sand depending on anemone) and for lack of a better would walk all over the tank and its inhabitants until it found a spot it approved of.
So with all of that being said I would have to say you will not be able to keep an anemone. And one last note, when I have a customer who wants to get/keep an anemone I always tell them that it should be the first coral added to any tank because we have no choice on where it makes its home.
Lighting is the most important aspect to keeping an anemone and most all if not all require Halides.
Placement is impossible in any size tank let alone a tank as small as a 20. If the anemone was to make contact with another coral it would most likely lead to the death of that coral.
Being that you already said that your 20 gallon is a reef tank I am assuming you have corals, would you risk all of your corals lives today, tomorrow, and 1 month from now even if you were able to house an anemone successfully.
What happens all the time is the anemone will thrive and grow, therefore it's reach would increase (therefore stinging and killing corals it never could reach before) and or it would dislodge itself (whether form a rock or sand depending on anemone) and for lack of a better would walk all over the tank and its inhabitants until it found a spot it approved of.
So with all of that being said I would have to say you will not be able to keep an anemone. And one last note, when I have a customer who wants to get/keep an anemone I always tell them that it should be the first coral added to any tank because we have no choice on where it makes its home.
I agree with the anemone in that small of a tank could be disasterous for the other corals in the tank because of its stinging ability and movement is erradict and unavoidable.
but i disagree with that it should be the first in the tank a young tank will not be able to support a anemone for very long because of the chemistry changes that take place until the water becomes established and mature. an anemone in the wild will live long and grow very large than in the aquariums.
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Mike
but i disagree with that it should be the first in the tank a young tank will not be able to support a anemone for very long because of the chemistry changes that take place until the water becomes established and mature. an anemone in the wild will live long and grow very large than in the aquariums.
IMO
Mike
sorry but if its a reef tank that is being started up and that information is given that an anemone should be the first coral in the tank what do you think most people that are just getting into the hobby is going to be. its not going to be wait until the tank has matured its going to be a new tank that has just finished cycled and its going to have a disasterous outcome. that is my opinion and if you go back and look at post most people add things soon after cycle is complete I dont think people are going to wait untill the tank is 6 months or more old to add an anemone or any other coral to it and most anemones will die as a result of it.
Mike
Mike
okay mickadee pay close attention and I will try and keep it real simple for you
I said "be the first coral added to any tank"
you said "but i disagree with that it should be the first in the tank"
How can you disagree with something that I did not say? Answer is you can not.
And an anemone obtains most if not all the nutrients it needs for survival from direct feeding and the lights, so whatever you think it is obtaining from mature water is untrue.
Unfortunately I would say that most Anemone deaths occur from people not having the proper lighting to keep an anemone, or the anemone comes into the LFS from the wholesaler in poor condition. I can go right now to any number of sites on the internet and show you pictures of anemones that are being sold that are already bleached out and have no chance for survival. How about the commonly found impossible to keep sebae anemone.
And exactly what is it that the anemones get from mature water that is not found in new water?
I said "be the first coral added to any tank"
you said "but i disagree with that it should be the first in the tank"
How can you disagree with something that I did not say? Answer is you can not.
And an anemone obtains most if not all the nutrients it needs for survival from direct feeding and the lights, so whatever you think it is obtaining from mature water is untrue.
Unfortunately I would say that most Anemone deaths occur from people not having the proper lighting to keep an anemone, or the anemone comes into the LFS from the wholesaler in poor condition. I can go right now to any number of sites on the internet and show you pictures of anemones that are being sold that are already bleached out and have no chance for survival. How about the commonly found impossible to keep sebae anemone.
And exactly what is it that the anemones get from mature water that is not found in new water?
First of all I am not anything to you me DO NOT TALK DOWN TO ME!!!
that being said
Mike
that being said
PLEASE read the Quote carefully!!! I understood what you were saying but this is what I am saying to different opinions on that but the decesion is ultimately up to the owner of the tank.
Mike
mickadee you did not answer the question for the board
What value does mature water have to an anemone?
What is in mature water that is not found in new water that benefits an anemone?
If this ingredient is not found in the new water, is it something you can dose?
I open this question up to everyone.
What value does mature water have to an anemone?
What is in mature water that is not found in new water that benefits an anemone?
If this ingredient is not found in the new water, is it something you can dose?
I open this question up to everyone.
its nothing in the water per say but its the fact that the water is more stable. the swings and fluctuations are more under control than a new tank just after cycle. I dont think its actually obtaining any nutritional value from the water itself thats were target feeding comes in as a supplement to the photo ability of the anemone.
Mike
them qoutes just didnt work out the way the should have.
I agree that this is the most common to find anemone and all of the ones I have seen are bleached out and on there way out.
Mike
them qoutes just didnt work out the way the should have.
Mike, I am currently reviewing "The Reef Aquarium" Volume 2 chapter 10 page 351. I am still unable to find any supporting evidence to your previous statements.
If you originally meant that the water parameters need to be stable before you can add an anemone I would totally agree. But this is no more different for any other coral. The fact remains if your system is stable whether it be 1 month old or 1 year old I suggest to all of my customers that an anemone be the first coral in the tank.
Now if you care to, tell me why I could not add an anemone to a tank that is 1 month old if it is already housing say 5 fish and 100lbs of Live Rock and all parameters are perfect. This is not hard to do. So can I add an anemone then?"
If you originally meant that the water parameters need to be stable before you can add an anemone I would totally agree. But this is no more different for any other coral. The fact remains if your system is stable whether it be 1 month old or 1 year old I suggest to all of my customers that an anemone be the first coral in the tank.
Now if you care to, tell me why I could not add an anemone to a tank that is 1 month old if it is already housing say 5 fish and 100lbs of Live Rock and all parameters are perfect. This is not hard to do. So can I add an anemone then?"
I personally would not do that and would not advise it to someone,just because there are many things that are going on in a new tank people are still adjusting levels nad making changes in a tank that is that new. the anemone may be able to handle it but I personally wouldnt want to put it through that.
I have beendoing some reveiwing on my own of your post the last little bit and I must say you are one of the reasons that I havent been on this site for a long time. a debate about something is informative to all but when you start a peply with
Mike
I have beendoing some reveiwing on my own of your post the last little bit and I must say you are one of the reasons that I havent been on this site for a long time. a debate about something is informative to all but when you start a peply with
then it just turns it into a heated arguement about why someone said what I would suggest to you that you go back and reread your posts on this board. and you have some good ones in less than a month that you have regesterd. I do not have a affilation with this board other than being a member and so are you, but comments like what you make new members leave and go elsewhere for a non hostial enviroment.
Mike
okay let me get this straight.
You make false, wrong, and poor statements at best and I am the one with the problem?
Everything is in black and white on the board. You stuttered and backpeddled everytime when I asked for some sort of supporting evidence to any statment you have made. And now simply the best thing you can come up with is
"there are many things that are going on in a new tank people are still adjusting levels nad making changes in a tank that is that new"
Well thanks for clearly stating the obvious. The poster did not ask when he should add corals. The poster did not ask at what time is his system is stable. He asked for FACTS about keeping an anemone in his 20 gallon tank. And I offered him facts and he graciously PMed a thanks. Then you make a post disagreeing with me on something I have never said and even when I question your theory and logic all I get is
"there are many things that are going on in a new tank"
Guess what Mike and you can quote me on this, there are many things going on in an old tank also.
So please stop defending something that is not worth defending becasue you are just making yourself look like someone who has no good information to offer because that is all you have offered here.
But hey since you want to talk and defend the defensless, you said
"people are still adjusting levels and making changes in a tank that is that new"
What are these changes and adjustmenst you are speaking of?
You make false, wrong, and poor statements at best and I am the one with the problem?
Everything is in black and white on the board. You stuttered and backpeddled everytime when I asked for some sort of supporting evidence to any statment you have made. And now simply the best thing you can come up with is
"there are many things that are going on in a new tank people are still adjusting levels nad making changes in a tank that is that new"
Well thanks for clearly stating the obvious. The poster did not ask when he should add corals. The poster did not ask at what time is his system is stable. He asked for FACTS about keeping an anemone in his 20 gallon tank. And I offered him facts and he graciously PMed a thanks. Then you make a post disagreeing with me on something I have never said and even when I question your theory and logic all I get is
"there are many things that are going on in a new tank"
Guess what Mike and you can quote me on this, there are many things going on in an old tank also.
So please stop defending something that is not worth defending becasue you are just making yourself look like someone who has no good information to offer because that is all you have offered here.
But hey since you want to talk and defend the defensless, you said
"people are still adjusting levels and making changes in a tank that is that new"
What are these changes and adjustmenst you are speaking of?
I said what I meant to say with no backpeddling. I dont give advice that is going to casue someone more problems down the road then if they would have just waited a lotte more time. BTW books are not the only source of information out there and I would rather go off advice and experience off people that have tried it and go from there.
and the poster didnt ask about corals or any of that YOU did I am usually pretty easy going person and I will be the first to say that I dont know everything but what I do know I go by and will give others the same advice what they do with it is up to them you come in and say something and that is the only way that it can be done and thats it. you want everybody else to justify this and justify that wel let me say that all the justifying in the world would not help some of the post you have made. do you want justification for this??
well here it is these are taking from your own posts..
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Thanks for the link. Now I have to buck up and get a Euroreef skimmer! The damn thing costs more then the Tank (180RR AGA).
I am an authorized Euro-reef dealer and you but cheap imitations of the Euro-reef.
Post your email address and I will send you a request for payment from Paypal right now even though I know you do not have the money nor can afford a Euro-reef.
OJ how dumb can you be $10 more before tax now add an additional $25.00 plus to that
beerbaron i suggest you get off the board and and go scrap some of the coralling algea off of your wannabee reef tank
BTW Your skimmer is a cheap knock off of a Euro-reef. If you would have done some RESEARCH before you purchased it you would have found out that the plastic used on your skimmer is cheaper and thinner then that on the Euro-reefs and yours will become brittle and crack over time. Just the facts buddy, please keep in mind this is not a cheap hobby and you should take into consideration the well being of the animals you have become the Guardian of. When you are ready for a Euor-reef CS6-1 I will sell one to you for $318 and that includes shipping. After all I am an authorized Euro-reef dealer.
Sorry megadeath I got you confused with iceman but you are still clueless
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these are just a few that you have takin on yourself to judge ridicule and other wise tell people that what they have is trash.and I am sure that they people that you wrote these to wasnt very happy about that. you even got a post locked up with it.PLEASE tell me where your store is so I never step foot in there I want someone to have my money thats worth it...whether you are a real LFS owner or not still just doesnt sit right from what I have read on your posts.
BTW xsirrusx I am sorry that this thread went into a completely different way and I do appolagize for that.
Mods this is the reason that most people dont stay on the boards very long I know that its not easy enviroment to police but I think looking into people that come on the board for a short period of time and do what Keepin_it_real has done really needs something done about it.
thank you and goodnight
Mike
and the poster didnt ask about corals or any of that YOU did I am usually pretty easy going person and I will be the first to say that I dont know everything but what I do know I go by and will give others the same advice what they do with it is up to them you come in and say something and that is the only way that it can be done and thats it. you want everybody else to justify this and justify that wel let me say that all the justifying in the world would not help some of the post you have made. do you want justification for this??
well here it is these are taking from your own posts..
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Thanks for the link. Now I have to buck up and get a Euroreef skimmer! The damn thing costs more then the Tank (180RR AGA).
I am an authorized Euro-reef dealer and you but cheap imitations of the Euro-reef.
Post your email address and I will send you a request for payment from Paypal right now even though I know you do not have the money nor can afford a Euro-reef.
OJ how dumb can you be $10 more before tax now add an additional $25.00 plus to that
beerbaron i suggest you get off the board and and go scrap some of the coralling algea off of your wannabee reef tank
BTW Your skimmer is a cheap knock off of a Euro-reef. If you would have done some RESEARCH before you purchased it you would have found out that the plastic used on your skimmer is cheaper and thinner then that on the Euro-reefs and yours will become brittle and crack over time. Just the facts buddy, please keep in mind this is not a cheap hobby and you should take into consideration the well being of the animals you have become the Guardian of. When you are ready for a Euor-reef CS6-1 I will sell one to you for $318 and that includes shipping. After all I am an authorized Euro-reef dealer.
Sorry megadeath I got you confused with iceman but you are still clueless
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these are just a few that you have takin on yourself to judge ridicule and other wise tell people that what they have is trash.and I am sure that they people that you wrote these to wasnt very happy about that. you even got a post locked up with it.PLEASE tell me where your store is so I never step foot in there I want someone to have my money thats worth it...whether you are a real LFS owner or not still just doesnt sit right from what I have read on your posts.
BTW xsirrusx I am sorry that this thread went into a completely different way and I do appolagize for that.
Mods this is the reason that most people dont stay on the boards very long I know that its not easy enviroment to police but I think looking into people that come on the board for a short period of time and do what Keepin_it_real has done really needs something done about it.
thank you and goodnight
Mike
its funny how you two made this into such a stupid argument about twisted words...get over it...
i think there are alot of good points regarding anemone care in this thread, but from experience, an anemone in a 20gal should be avoided. I have LTA in a 55 that does get 14 inches wide and has killed a few corals. They can and do move, which is no good if you have power heads. Some anemones will even just pop up and float around, which is putting your corals on death row. It's also not very environmentally friendly to take an anemone from the 20 or so clowns that lived in it and probably dies due to its home being removed.
All in all its a crap shoot, and how you feel about the morality of your hobby.
loosbrew
i think there are alot of good points regarding anemone care in this thread, but from experience, an anemone in a 20gal should be avoided. I have LTA in a 55 that does get 14 inches wide and has killed a few corals. They can and do move, which is no good if you have power heads. Some anemones will even just pop up and float around, which is putting your corals on death row. It's also not very environmentally friendly to take an anemone from the 20 or so clowns that lived in it and probably dies due to its home being removed.
All in all its a crap shoot, and how you feel about the morality of your hobby.
loosbrew
xsirrusx":10ii3ixl said:
if you're talking about 'host anemones' like the heteractis species, etc-minh has excellent advice
however-there are other species of anemones :wink:
the 'flower, or 'rock' anemones, will do wonderfully in a small tank-with corals, generally stay put, and should be absolutely fine
Keeping_it_real:
i am publicly requesting from you to tone your posts down a tad
everyone here has either something valuable to contribute, or to learn from, and your condescending, and frankly, argumentative tone is one that i personally find serves no constructive purpose
the sump, however, is another matter :wink: , and if you'ld like to get into a heated 'debate' w/added tone-you are always welcome there :wink: :twisted:
but the purpose of the board here is really to educate and help one another
this should be done with every effort to avoid an overly zealous confrontational tone-it makes everyone's reading (including mine) far more enjoyable
hopefully, this thread will continue in a mannerly fashion w/out having to be closed by one of the mods-which is really a waste of everyones time-theirs, yours, mine, and all the other hobbyists who come here to observe, learn, and contribute to the knowledge base
if you disagree w/someone, fine-just do it politely, and with no 'personal challenges', k?
for my sake,and ability to enjoy this bb- if for nothing else :wink:
i am publicly requesting from you to tone your posts down a tad
everyone here has either something valuable to contribute, or to learn from, and your condescending, and frankly, argumentative tone is one that i personally find serves no constructive purpose
the sump, however, is another matter :wink: , and if you'ld like to get into a heated 'debate' w/added tone-you are always welcome there :wink: :twisted:
but the purpose of the board here is really to educate and help one another
this should be done with every effort to avoid an overly zealous confrontational tone-it makes everyone's reading (including mine) far more enjoyable
hopefully, this thread will continue in a mannerly fashion w/out having to be closed by one of the mods-which is really a waste of everyones time-theirs, yours, mine, and all the other hobbyists who come here to observe, learn, and contribute to the knowledge base
if you disagree w/someone, fine-just do it politely, and with no 'personal challenges', k?
for my sake,and ability to enjoy this bb- if for nothing else :wink:
well vitz perhaps if you would read the thread more clearly you would have seen that I was falsely accused of posting improper information that could of had led to the death of anemones.
EXCUSE ME FOR TAKING THIS PERSONALLY
Perhaps you find this acceptable but I do not.
And these boards have become USELESS due to the fact that they are being swarmed by inexperienced reefers with little or no knowledge and they do nothing but give out bad information.
When I come on this board and many other boards each and every day all I am doing is seeking knowledge that I can use to further benefit by Reef and my customers. Unfortunately it is become more and more less frequent that I would find a post I can learn form. And the ONLY time I post is when I feel the need to help someone and or set straight some bad information that was given.
I have still yet to see 1 person or a single post that is in contradiction with any of the information I have given. We are not 12 and this is not the playground. Animals lives are at stake and money is being spent and these are things I take very seriously regardless if they are my animals and money or not.
EXCUSE ME FOR TAKING THIS PERSONALLY
Perhaps you find this acceptable but I do not.
And these boards have become USELESS due to the fact that they are being swarmed by inexperienced reefers with little or no knowledge and they do nothing but give out bad information.
When I come on this board and many other boards each and every day all I am doing is seeking knowledge that I can use to further benefit by Reef and my customers. Unfortunately it is become more and more less frequent that I would find a post I can learn form. And the ONLY time I post is when I feel the need to help someone and or set straight some bad information that was given.
I have still yet to see 1 person or a single post that is in contradiction with any of the information I have given. We are not 12 and this is not the playground. Animals lives are at stake and money is being spent and these are things I take very seriously regardless if they are my animals and money or not.
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