Mark Weiss products
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After hearing all of the "great things" this stuff will do for your tank, I decided to try the Coral-Vital and Combo-Vital. IMO, after a couple of months, I really haven't noticed any difference, and after reading everyone elses opinion on this MB, I've quit using it. Just my 2 cents! :roll:
i love mark wiess, i use his stuff all the time, i had no coraline growth so i used his coral vite product every day for a month and bang! my coraline took off, ever since then i have used his products religiously, i add spectra vital once a week in my reef with amazing featherduster growth and tons of sponges are all happy. i dont know whats in it but i sure like it.
The only thing I use is the Phospahte silicate remover. It is the only thing he couldn't fudge in my opinion.
I tried the black powder and spectra vital.. I saw no change but when i stopped using it my open brain didnt grow as much. I think it boosts DOC's so that the corals that use them can get the nutrients they need.
My skimmer is rated fo a 200g tank. I have it n a 90g with a 25g sump....
SO. I dont have a brain in my tank as of yet. So i am holding off. I just got over a Cyano outbreak and dont want to go down tha road again.....
anyways
I tried the black powder and spectra vital.. I saw no change but when i stopped using it my open brain didnt grow as much. I think it boosts DOC's so that the corals that use them can get the nutrients they need.
My skimmer is rated fo a 200g tank. I have it n a 90g with a 25g sump....
SO. I dont have a brain in my tank as of yet. So i am holding off. I just got over a Cyano outbreak and dont want to go down tha road again.....
anyways
It's funny you ask, I just saw him today. He'd sell you his Mom on Mother's Day, if ya ask me. I've heard rumors that "Coral Vital" consists of mostly fruit concentrates, aka sugar. Not exactly something I want in my tank. His prices are a little high, too... guess you can't buy a 2003 M3 drop-top otherwise!
My $.02
My $.02
Few month ago i bought a Purple tang and got ick, so i call my LFS and he toll me, try 2 tsp dayly of Inmuno- Vital for one week. After the week the ick disappear and my Tang are very healthy. I only dose my tank with Kalkwasser and C-Balance, but i have a positive testimony of the Marc Weiss Inmuno-Vital, so this snake oil save my Purple Tang Tank :wink:
Ralphyhp":1qy6xf0k said:
This line of logic is called post hoc ergo proctor hoc, it happened after therfore must be caused by, and it a fallacy.
Ralphyhp":1qy6xf0k said:
This line of logic is called post hoc ergo proctor hoc, it happened after therefore must be caused by, and it a fallacy. Many superstitions are started with this kind of thinking.
You used the product and the ich went away, so the ich going away must have been cause by the product. Seems to make sense, but it doesn’t. There were many other things you did in that week that may have caused the ich to go away. Feeding well, turning your lights on and off, dosing Kalk for instance. There is eactly as much evidence to support those things clearing up the ich as there is for the Weiss prouct.
Also, ich often clears up on its own in about a week. So if you did not use the snake oil, it is probable the ich would have cleared up regardlesss.
Hey All-
Dizzy, I have heard of Novak. Actually a fellow planted tanker I met is named in his "suit". I use quotes as I am not sure if its off the ground or what....
I think I know why you are bringing it up. Novak brought claims of damages against some people who said some things about his online store, on another message board. Purported cases of exceptionally bad customer service, which I do personally believe, but have no proof of myself. Never done business there.
Anyhow, if you can't prove something specifically and you post about it, you may be getting yourself in libel trouble. Libel is the written version of slander. In any case, just be careful folks. Free speech and freedom of information are what makes the internet great, but, Novak did turn it against some folks. Heres a link to the info on this:
http://slashdot.org/articles/02/04/04/1 ... ml?tid=153
Its the slashdot news blurb on it. There are more links there, too lazy to get em.
Just be careful of what you say about resellers on the net. If the products suck, you gotta state that either it is your opinion they suck, OR state it as fact with proveable evidence. IMO, state it as IYO.
Not that I disbelieve anyones comments above...
KK
Dizzy, I have heard of Novak. Actually a fellow planted tanker I met is named in his "suit". I use quotes as I am not sure if its off the ground or what....
I think I know why you are bringing it up. Novak brought claims of damages against some people who said some things about his online store, on another message board. Purported cases of exceptionally bad customer service, which I do personally believe, but have no proof of myself. Never done business there.
Anyhow, if you can't prove something specifically and you post about it, you may be getting yourself in libel trouble. Libel is the written version of slander. In any case, just be careful folks. Free speech and freedom of information are what makes the internet great, but, Novak did turn it against some folks. Heres a link to the info on this:
http://slashdot.org/articles/02/04/04/1 ... ml?tid=153
Its the slashdot news blurb on it. There are more links there, too lazy to get em.
Just be careful of what you say about resellers on the net. If the products suck, you gotta state that either it is your opinion they suck, OR state it as fact with proveable evidence. IMO, state it as IYO.
Not that I disbelieve anyones comments above...
KK
I have only used 'Coral Vital' which a salesman at a LFS sold me here a few months back to try. Smelled like apple juice and water IMO and did jack and squat in my tank except make my skimmer go crazy. If you won't list the ingredients that's suspicious in and of itself but I'll leave that up to the FDA or whoever governs fish food/additives.
I drip kalk in my larger tank, use aragamilk in my nano and that's it for additives now a days - 99% of them are dubious at best and outright snake oil at worst - reminds me of those old medicine shows selling panacea's by the bottle to cure anything that ails ya (or yer fishies).
Mitch - When you said Bob Novak I was thinking of that republican commentator and was like 'wow he has a reef tank? maybe he's not such a bad guy after all'
I drip kalk in my larger tank, use aragamilk in my nano and that's it for additives now a days - 99% of them are dubious at best and outright snake oil at worst - reminds me of those old medicine shows selling panacea's by the bottle to cure anything that ails ya (or yer fishies).
Mitch - When you said Bob Novak I was thinking of that republican commentator and was like 'wow he has a reef tank? maybe he's not such a bad guy after all'
Hey all-
Maybe I should simplify what I said above, I will try. There are those out there who don't care how they make thier money/place in the world, and have no moral obligation to "sue thier way to the top". Just make sure you dont hand someone that victory by slandering them/thier products. You could be held liable, whether they have a crappy product or not.
On libel law- just state if its your opinion! Watch what you claim is fact. Its that easy. The quote about Wiess not knowing whats in his own stuff... well, that would be fairly easy for him to prove, and then go after you. Careful. I doubt he would, this Novak guy seems to be a rarity, in my opinion. <- :wink:
I have seen a few threads similar to this pop up, about bad customer service, bad products, shipping probs etc. This board is freedom of knowledge, and that is an amazing power. All you have to do is mind not what you say, but how you say it. Protect yourself, keep litigious people off your back.
And one last point- in the APD suit, quoted phone conversations came up as slander. If you cant prove they said it, IE email fax or recording, they can deny it. Then you dont have alot to defend yourself with.
I hop up on the soapbox on this as I met one of the defendents, heard the story from the APD side. Some people really lost alot of money, and alot of emotional energy. Just dont give em a chance to get you.
My 2 cents, greatly inflated... sorry for the poach n soapbox, BUT 'tis better to arm yourself with this knowledge voluntarily now, then be required to learn about it later. Trust me on that.
Boy, I tried to be simple, look what you get. And I apologize for the poach.
KK
Maybe I should simplify what I said above, I will try. There are those out there who don't care how they make thier money/place in the world, and have no moral obligation to "sue thier way to the top". Just make sure you dont hand someone that victory by slandering them/thier products. You could be held liable, whether they have a crappy product or not.
On libel law- just state if its your opinion! Watch what you claim is fact. Its that easy. The quote about Wiess not knowing whats in his own stuff... well, that would be fairly easy for him to prove, and then go after you. Careful. I doubt he would, this Novak guy seems to be a rarity, in my opinion. <- :wink:
I have seen a few threads similar to this pop up, about bad customer service, bad products, shipping probs etc. This board is freedom of knowledge, and that is an amazing power. All you have to do is mind not what you say, but how you say it. Protect yourself, keep litigious people off your back.
And one last point- in the APD suit, quoted phone conversations came up as slander. If you cant prove they said it, IE email fax or recording, they can deny it. Then you dont have alot to defend yourself with.
I hop up on the soapbox on this as I met one of the defendents, heard the story from the APD side. Some people really lost alot of money, and alot of emotional energy. Just dont give em a chance to get you.
My 2 cents, greatly inflated... sorry for the poach n soapbox, BUT 'tis better to arm yourself with this knowledge voluntarily now, then be required to learn about it later. Trust me on that.
Boy, I tried to be simple, look what you get. And I apologize for the poach.
KK
KK,
You betcha! I was recently threatened with a lawsuit because I sent an email about something to a private group. The email was then sent to someone who did not like what I wrote. Even though it was clear everything was my opinion, there was one sentance that did not baldly say 'in my opinion'. Echh. It was stupid on their part to threaten litigation, but it did end up costing me some money (we sent them a letter, and the ran away).
Bottom line when talking about someone, disclaim yourself with an 'in my opinion' statement.
You betcha! I was recently threatened with a lawsuit because I sent an email about something to a private group. The email was then sent to someone who did not like what I wrote. Even though it was clear everything was my opinion, there was one sentance that did not baldly say 'in my opinion'. Echh. It was stupid on their part to threaten litigation, but it did end up costing me some money (we sent them a letter, and the ran away).
Bottom line when talking about someone, disclaim yourself with an 'in my opinion' statement.
Hey Righty-
You just brought up a great point. And this would have been in your defense too! All email is considered private unless specified otherwise. That is, if you PM me something, I cant put it up on public display without your approval or you can go after me.
And, THAT SAID, all these legalities dont mean much unless you want to spend the cashola to enforce them. And if someone does, the defender may not have the cash to defend. Therin lies a major flaw in the system. If not THE major flaw.
Trying to remember this quote, please forgive me if this isnt exactly right... "Let us pray that right makes might" - Abe Lincoln. I think thats on a courthouse somewhere famous...
Dont not speak out people- just mind your P's and Q's. If you look back through that slashdot log though, comments on the APD vs Novak dispute, there is some funny stuff in there stated as fact. Check it out.
Again, this post is now way off base here, poached like an african elephant! Just trying to fill in some other details so theres some worthwhile info that might turn up in a search.
Mods- maybe throw up a sticky, or a FAQ link on theetiquitte of posting opinions/experiences with resellers?
KK
You just brought up a great point. And this would have been in your defense too! All email is considered private unless specified otherwise. That is, if you PM me something, I cant put it up on public display without your approval or you can go after me.
And, THAT SAID, all these legalities dont mean much unless you want to spend the cashola to enforce them. And if someone does, the defender may not have the cash to defend. Therin lies a major flaw in the system. If not THE major flaw.
Trying to remember this quote, please forgive me if this isnt exactly right... "Let us pray that right makes might" - Abe Lincoln. I think thats on a courthouse somewhere famous...
Dont not speak out people- just mind your P's and Q's. If you look back through that slashdot log though, comments on the APD vs Novak dispute, there is some funny stuff in there stated as fact. Check it out.
Again, this post is now way off base here, poached like an african elephant! Just trying to fill in some other details so theres some worthwhile info that might turn up in a search.
Mods- maybe throw up a sticky, or a FAQ link on theetiquitte of posting opinions/experiences with resellers?
KK
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