Not entirely true, I spoke to the owner, that is a brand new tank, they ditched the old one before they installed the wave box. I watched as they progressively stocked it (I go there way to often - LOL)
Tunze WAze Box or Red Dragon??
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Not entirely true, I spoke to the owner, that is a brand new tank, they ditched the old one before they installed the wave box. I watched as they progressively stocked it (I go there way to often - LOL)
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- Marine Park
I'll see if I can finds it.
Wolfgang's estimate was a tank's lifespan would be brought down to around 5 years if used as directed with a wavebox. It seemed to be a from the cuff remark and not based on extensive testing with all popular aquarium manufacturers.
Wolfgang's estimate was a tank's lifespan would be brought down to around 5 years if used as directed with a wavebox. It seemed to be a from the cuff remark and not based on extensive testing with all popular aquarium manufacturers.
We just had a thread on meters where we had to go off of what manufacturers, reps and sales people had to say since no one has the meters in question and it was considered good research.
When I was looking around into flow options for my tank, I went over to Mshur's house and liked the effect the wave box had on his polyps. He had an acrylic tank. I started looking into it. I spoke to a few people who sold them. All had the same response. They are too hard on a glass tank. Then I started speaking to some friends in the hobby who I happen to feel know their stuff. They said the same thing. Something along the lines that an average tank lasts 10 years. With a wave box, you'll reduce this by about half. Does this mean all tanks will leak after 10 years... no. Does this mean a wave box will cause a tank to leak in 5 years, no. They are hard on tanks and reduce their life span is all that is being said. The 1 year thing I said was a figurative statement.
I though the point here was to exchange knowledge and information that we have picked up along the way.
When I was looking around into flow options for my tank, I went over to Mshur's house and liked the effect the wave box had on his polyps. He had an acrylic tank. I started looking into it. I spoke to a few people who sold them. All had the same response. They are too hard on a glass tank. Then I started speaking to some friends in the hobby who I happen to feel know their stuff. They said the same thing. Something along the lines that an average tank lasts 10 years. With a wave box, you'll reduce this by about half. Does this mean all tanks will leak after 10 years... no. Does this mean a wave box will cause a tank to leak in 5 years, no. They are hard on tanks and reduce their life span is all that is being said. The 1 year thing I said was a figurative statement.
I though the point here was to exchange knowledge and information that we have picked up along the way.
Fred, I am too high on Oxycodone to do the calculation right now. I don't think anyone can say for certain how much life a wavebox will reduce from a tank, since there is no "standard" life for tanks. Some claim an acrylic tank will take the additional pressure better and one should have an acrylic tank if they want to use a wave box, I personally don't think there are much pressure being exerted on the seams in either tank and think that logic is BS. The tank will need a solid stand to sit on because the weight shift with the wave crest, otherwise I don't think it would cause a "significant" tank life loss.
A wave box is essentially a Tunze 6100 with a modified single controller so it can have a short running interval. The box holds no more than 2 liters of water. Do you think dumping two liters of water in a 120 gallon tank (minimum recommended size tank) every few seconds adds that much more pressure to a tank holding 1,000 pound of water trying to get out at the seams?
A wave box is essentially a Tunze 6100 with a modified single controller so it can have a short running interval. The box holds no more than 2 liters of water. Do you think dumping two liters of water in a 120 gallon tank (minimum recommended size tank) every few seconds adds that much more pressure to a tank holding 1,000 pound of water trying to get out at the seams?
I did see the Wave Box at Fish Town and I think thats where I got the idea of getting one. But if it does not replace "flow" in the tank than all it would be to me is a nice toy. 
I did some further research on the Red Dreagon and it realized that the INPUT an OUTPUT are European metric sized. So I guess I would need an adapter to hook it up to my current system and might make things more difficult. I was also considering the Sequence as an option and after hearing all the good opinions on this thread I think I may be leaning towards that direction. My main concern in heat transfer as well as power usage. My Blue Line 100 is peaking at 250watts right now and I suspect thats where all the heat is coming from. A Sequence I think averages at about 98 and gives out in the ball park of 2600gph. I like the design of the Wavy Seas but I have the seaswirls right now which are pretty much doing the same thing. I never even considered Vortech but now that I've looked into them they may be a good possibility in the near future.
I did some further research on the Red Dreagon and it realized that the INPUT an OUTPUT are European metric sized. So I guess I would need an adapter to hook it up to my current system and might make things more difficult. I was also considering the Sequence as an option and after hearing all the good opinions on this thread I think I may be leaning towards that direction. My main concern in heat transfer as well as power usage. My Blue Line 100 is peaking at 250watts right now and I suspect thats where all the heat is coming from. A Sequence I think averages at about 98 and gives out in the ball park of 2600gph. I like the design of the Wavy Seas but I have the seaswirls right now which are pretty much doing the same thing. I never even considered Vortech but now that I've looked into them they may be a good possibility in the near future.
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- Marine Park
You are high on oxycodone!
(Not a fan of it personally, although it is fun to take and then curl your barefoot toes in carpet)Your non high self knows all too well the fun that resonant frequencies can bring:
http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2006/11/everything_has_.html
It's not the slight push on the helicopter, it's the timing of that very small push. You can line up 10 Tunze 6100s facing the sides of the tank, the constant push is NOTHING compared to a well timed one.
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- Wallingford, CT
A Sequence Snapper @ 98 watts will not give you the flow that you are acustomed to. The smaller Reeflo pumps cannot handle much head pressure. I would say that from direct comparison, I had a bit more flow from a Gen-X px40 (1140 gph magnetic pump) then from my Reeflo Dart (3600 gph centrifigal pump) doing the same task.
The Gen-X uses less then the Dart but is much noisier then the Dart. But then I don't need to worry about the inevitable seal leaks that are inherent with centrifigal pumps
The Gen-X uses less then the Dart but is much noisier then the Dart. But then I don't need to worry about the inevitable seal leaks that are inherent with centrifigal pumps
The oscillation rate to generate the peek wave with a wave box is too low to see any type of resonant frequency impact by it self. You need certain force coupled with the right frequency to produce the catastrophic scenario.
I would be a lot more concerned if my wavebox was making waves like this:
http://www.podnova.com/channel/701/episode/17/
I would be a lot more concerned if my wavebox was making waves like this:
http://www.podnova.com/channel/701/episode/17/
A Sequence Snapper @ 98 watts will not give you the flow that you are acustomed to. The smaller Reeflo pumps cannot handle much head pressure. I would say that from direct comparison, I had a bit more flow from a Gen-X px40 (1140 gph magnetic pump) then from my Reeflo Dart (3600 gph centrifigal pump) doing the same task.
The Gen-X uses less then the Dart but is much noisier then the Dart. But then I don't need to worry about the inevitable seal leaks that are inherent with centrifigal pumps
I really don't have too much head pressure being that my pump is in my stand. I have my blue line branched two ways right now. One end returns right to the tank into 2 loclines. The other end goes to my chiller right next to my tank. Do you think I will get at least enough to satisfy the two?
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- North Shore Long lsand, NY
What diameter is the plumbing? Dart is low head...that being said, small diameter plumbing will choke it down...Mine runs through 2" plumbing all the way into the tank...works great...if it were smaller diameter it wouldn't work nearly as well....that may be why some people complain about their performance...it's not set up right....
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