Which Ehiem pump model for a 45g?

[ScubaChinchilla]

I have a 45 gallon tank and decided to use an Ehiem pump after a suggestion. I have about 6 feet of vertical hose to travel up from the slump's location, I was thinking either the Ehiem 1260 or 1262? This setup will be used for reef application.
Thank You,
Frank

 

[lunner]

Ehiem 1260 would be enough. I use that for my 55.

 

[Awibrandy]

cool now you have two saying the :usa1:

 

[fritz]

The 1260 and 1262 are the same pump. I'd go for the 1262 and just throttle it back a bit. Throttled back (via a ball valve) it draws the same wattage as the 1260. Buying the 1262 is essentially both pumps in one. Plus should you buy the 1262 now you won't need to buy it when you upgrade to a larger tank.

100% buy the 1262, there is no reason IMO to ever buy the 1260.

 

[lunner]

A little more input from my experience.

How I set up mine is I have a LifeReef OverFlow rated upto 700GPH.
My Sump/Fuge is next to my tank. The Eheim 1260 has to return a total of at least 5 feet up and and at least 5 feet horizontal distance. The return also T off before reaching back to the tank. I have a ball valve at the output end of the Eheim and it is set at > 55 degrees. So I still have alot of overhead left from the Eheim. I just think Eheim underrated their specs a bit.

Specifications:Model #Pump
OutputDelivery
HeadPower
ConsumptionHose
Connection
(Suction Side)Hose
Connection
(Pressure Side)Dimensions
(L x W x H)Weight
1260 635 gph 12'1" 65W 1"3/4" 8.6" x 4.6" x 6.3" 6.0 lbs
1262 900 gph 11'6" 80W 1"3/4" 8.6" x 4.6" x 6.3" 6.0 lbs

 

[Awibrandy]

Thank you lunner, cause I thought I was really going crazy. I have both of these pumps and I just knew that they rated for different gph. And fritz just made me doubt my self.:lol_large
The 1260 is on one of the returns of my 155, and the other return has the WMD Iwaki 40RLT. The other eheim 1262 is on my 75's return.

 

[ScubaChinchilla]

thanks everyone so get the 1262 , have it restricted with a ball valve and that will be fine so how many times would the tank turn over? Just one last question so all rio's are bad even the h series , like the 26h can't even touch the Ehiem 1262 right , just curious?
P.S at work so I might be in and out have to leave be back 2 hours or less (work computer).

 

[Awibrandy]

For your tank the 1260 is more then enough. Your upgrade isn't for a couple of years, right? By then you'll want something even better.

 

[fritz]

There really isn't a "better" pump than the eheim in terms of magnetic pumps. Get the 1250 if you want. IME eheim isn't underrated in terms of GPH. How are you measuring the GPH? I like to use an empty one gallon jug. See how long it takes to fill up and divide. That will give you your GPH.

As far as how many times turnover it depends. Are you using it for all of your in take flow or are you using powerheads for circulation and this pump to get water into your sump and back out again? What kind of skimmer are you using? Is it gravity fed? All of these will effect how much you want your return to pump.

 

[fritz]

Wait a minute are we seriously debating $10!!!??????
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=EH1260
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=EH1262

$10 !!?

Scuba if you EVER have the option of going larger on a piece of reef equipment for $10 and you don't take it I'm going to slap you. Skimping $10 right now will cost you $129 in a week if you decide that the 1260 didn't cut it or in a month or a year. For $10 you have the option of MUCH more flow, you can use it or not but it's there. You can use the extra flow to stir up your tank during a water change then throttle it back down again. Also, if you go to a larger tank you don't need to spend $129 to get the 1262.

This is a no brainer and frankly I'm amazed that anyone posted otherwise.

 

[ScubaChinchilla]

I don't care about the price, I was just not sure about the 600 gph to 900 gph, like how will this affect my fish, corals and invert's. I would like this to be my main flow but to aviod the dead spot I will put 1 power head at the bottom and also was going to put an inline flowmeter at the top of the main return line, I am going to go with this http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=ES33000
for my protien skimmer and hang it on the slump, and have my return pump in the slump. It seems like every time I go back to the store I come back with a Rio but chris at reef fantasy was nice and nothing is set in stone for my decision, for me I like to see and examine the product if I saw the Ehiem in person I would definatly buy it, he doesn't carry Ehiems becasue he doesn't like them and uses alot of rios and never has had a problem with them, I like to get all the fact's and I value everyone's opinion on this form. I hope i'm not driving you guys crazy.

 

[fritz]

Rio pumps IME have been total crap. eheim is the best you'll find for an in sump return pump. Get used to buying dry goods online, buying them in a store will cost you almost twice as much. Also taking advice from your local store often isn't in your best interest. Think of buying a car, would you listen to everything that the dealer tells you? -----you don't need the special undercoating.

What corals do you plan on keeping?

FWIW this might be a better buy, it certainly has a better resale value.
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=ER1414

 

[ScubaChinchilla]

thanks fritz for the wakeup call , I would like to start off with some softies , but im now woried if i get an anemone later down the road will it wreak my coral's, after i have enough confidence with the softies, I will try a go with a sps. Is that a good plan?

 

[fritz]

Yes that's a common plan and here's where many people (myself included) have gone wrong. If your end goal is to keep sps then you need to plan for your end goal, not for the stepping stones. Buy a skimmer now that is good for sps. Not one good for softies, then another one for sps later. Buy lights now that are good for sps, not lights good for softies, then another set of lights for sps down the road.

You're on the right track so far and that ER (EuroReef Skimmer) should do you fine with that tank size. Anemones are really awesome animals but they live a very long time and they like to walk around. They usually kill anything that they bump into on these hikes so they do best, IMO, in a species only tank. If you dig anemones, a tank of them with some clowns is really a site to see. Anemones are more tolerant of "dirty" water and skimming isn't as important with them, again IMO.

I started with zoanthids and softies and I bought several setups. Had I just gone with the right equipment for SPS from the beginning I would have saved myself tons of money. It's been my experience that every dollar I have tried to save has cost me 2.

 

[ScubaChinchilla]

I see , so there is no way to keep softies and sps at the same time? , and I really like softies and anemones, is there a way to prevent the damage and arrange the tank to keep them happy but prevent damage?

 

[grisha]

listen to Fred , scuba.
and it is outrage that a LFS recommend you rio over Ehiem. another example of store trying to push stuff to unaware new reefer

 

[Awibrandy]

There are some here that keep mixed reefs. Do a search, if you can't find anything on it. And none post here. Start another thread requesting info on how to keep mixed reefs. I'm sure you'll get plenty of answers.

Fred, the reason I told him to go with the 1260 is because I am going by the PMs Frank had sent me. By the time he finishes college, and gets ready for that upgrade there will be much better equipment on the market, and he would be upgrading anyway. You know very well, we are always upgrading. How many skimmers have you switched out lately?
And yes, I took exception to your remark. We are all here trying to help, why the insults when we disagree? Why belittle others? This is the reason why most don't bother to post. I know I myself am having issues with my brain not working as well as it should be these days which is why I told Scuba to keep posting his questions on the forum for better info. Thanks for making me feel like crap!
But as loismustdie's signature, why take advice from those who's tanks you haven't even seen, something to that effect.

 

[ScubaChinchilla]

so should I have the Ehiem inside the slump or outside of it, which is best results and do you guys have a pic of the sump/refuge? It seems my tank and diy threads are dead I know this is off topic. Is this sand a good choice http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=CS0790
someone suggested 2 of those and 1 bag of dead sand? I'm sorry Awibrady for causeing you to be in the middle

 

[fritz]

Scuba you can keep a mixed reef that's not what I meant. I'm speaking purely in terms of the subject of this thread. Awilda's point about the skimmer is exactly what I was reffering to. You are going to start with softies:

Compact Flourescent lights would be fine $100
That coralife skimmer would be fine $100

Once you go to sps you need a new skimmer $100 wasted and new lights $100 wasted. Instead, buy a skimmer that can handle whatever you may keep and lights that can do the same. It will cost you more than $200 but you won't be buying a skimmer twice and lights twice.

Awilda I didn't mean offense to you and I understand your situation. But you too must understand that it is people from both sides of the isle that "don't post" I know some seriously knowledgeable people that no longer post on here because they don't want to argue over weather or not you can keep sps with CF lights. I almost passed this thread up when I saw the 1260 being recommended but for some reason decided to interject.

BECAUSE I've purchased so many skimmers I'm trying to help scuba not repeat my mistakes. I've purchased so many skimmers because I never wanted to spend the money the first time. Instead of spending $600 on a skimmer I spent
$200
$300
$350
$400
$550
$700

Who's the fool? Had I just bit the bullet the first time, this hobby would have been much cheaper for me. Each person coming into this hobby is stunned by the expense and often tries to cut corners in the wrong places or buys without thinking of what the future may hold. Smart money says you will not keep your current tank for long. Soon you will see a tank in a store or on the for sale threads and you'll upgrade, just like the rest of us have done.

 

[fritz]

so should I have the Ehiem inside the slump or outside of it, which is best results and do you guys have a pic of the sump/refuge? It seems my tank and diy threads are dead I know this is off topic. Is this sand a good choice http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=CS0790
someone suggested 2 of those and 1 bag of dead sand? I'm sorry Awibrady for causeing you to be in the middle

eheim inside or out it doesn't matter.

"Live Sand"? Do you know of anything that can live inside of a plastic bag for 6 months? Skip on the live sand it's a rip off. Use regular sand and in a few months time animals will have colonized it from your live rock.