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Calling people snobs is a bad way to get people on your side.
AMDA Board of Directors speak out.
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Notta once did I say anyone was a snob. You reading another post? It's pretty obvious with his posts, he's all ready picked what side of the fence he sits on. Everything is dead and white on that side, from all the cyanide.
With out people like Steve, we're truly doomed. you can sit and not pay attention and wait for the end or you can join in. PI and Indo may just shut down some day soon (REAL possiability), the cry in those locals is getting louder (and in Fiji, Australia, and many more). You may all get your wish soon, CB only. Sure will be easy at that point to choose what fish, I mean clown, your gonna get. The frag swapping will be the only game (game) in town as will be FLA aquacultured rock. Our trade/hobby can be sustainable and a good thing for villagers in MO collecting countries, help us make it that way.
You can disagree all day long about etail vs retail vs box stores all you want, but you should seperate the two issues in your mind, because they are two different issues all together. All will loose if we don't clean up our act soon.
With out people like Steve, we're truly doomed. you can sit and not pay attention and wait for the end or you can join in. PI and Indo may just shut down some day soon (REAL possiability), the cry in those locals is getting louder (and in Fiji, Australia, and many more). You may all get your wish soon, CB only. Sure will be easy at that point to choose what fish, I mean clown, your gonna get. The frag swapping will be the only game (game) in town as will be FLA aquacultured rock. Our trade/hobby can be sustainable and a good thing for villagers in MO collecting countries, help us make it that way.
You can disagree all day long about etail vs retail vs box stores all you want, but you should seperate the two issues in your mind, because they are two different issues all together. All will loose if we don't clean up our act soon.
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You know, people like Diane Fossey weren't well-liked either. But sometimes a person with a mission in life can't do it all, they can only do what they can. While Steve may be abrasive, you've got to give him props for a couple of things. First, he's a man of conviction. Second, he's absolutely passionate about what he does. Third, he's gone and done what lots of folks don't - he's put his money where his mouth is. Personal feelings in the grand scheme of things don't, in my honest opinion, amount to a whole lot. We're never going to be liked by everyone in this world, nor is everyone going to like us. (In case your momma didn't tell you.)
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Abrasive???
'moi?'
Read in the Industry behind the hobby where Wayne [ie naesco] says I don't go far enough!
Then go to the sump. There is a thread by this guy disparaging retarded people and not understanding why it is rude and ill conceived to do so.
What an unkind, knee- jerk and abrasive character!
This is the same guy that has hurt my feelings :lol: w/ the charge of not being a nice guy?
Actually I am...and I'm quite sure he is not.
So Bill. About that beer @ MACNA? Wanna invite Money Pit along?
Steve
PS. Diane Fossey [ a hero of mine] was a *****.
And let the poachers know it all the time. So the worst of them killed her.
AND thanks to her, and a few like her we may have gorrillas into the next century.
'moi?'
Read in the Industry behind the hobby where Wayne [ie naesco] says I don't go far enough!
Then go to the sump. There is a thread by this guy disparaging retarded people and not understanding why it is rude and ill conceived to do so.
What an unkind, knee- jerk and abrasive character!
This is the same guy that has hurt my feelings :lol: w/ the charge of not being a nice guy?
Actually I am...and I'm quite sure he is not.
So Bill. About that beer @ MACNA? Wanna invite Money Pit along?
Steve
PS. Diane Fossey [ a hero of mine] was a *****.
And let the poachers know it all the time. So the worst of them killed her.
AND thanks to her, and a few like her we may have gorrillas into the next century.
I think you misunderstand me, my problem is not with AMDA's agenda but rather their practice of professing virtues that they themselves do not uphold and the personal attacks and name calling directed towards those who disagree with their rhetoric. I never said I hate AMDA or Steve for that matter just that I dislike him, you yourself agree his unlikable so what's the problem? I don't benefit from cyanide caught fish, no one does except retailers or e-tailers. If given the choice, all of us would choose net caught or even better aqua-cultured fish. To suggest that those that disagree with you are some how snobs or with the cyanide cartel is exactly what I'm talking about.
As far as my chose not to do business with AMDA members is not a lose for me at all, and that is the attitude I've come to expect from AMDA members (you're God's gift to the trade). I have numorious LFS's here in Southern California to do business with not to mention infinite e-tailers to choose from. When I see a change in the self-rightous attitude of those who speak for AMDA I'll reconsider my decision.
Let the name calling begin...
As far as my chose not to do business with AMDA members is not a lose for me at all, and that is the attitude I've come to expect from AMDA members (you're God's gift to the trade). I have numorious LFS's here in Southern California to do business with not to mention infinite e-tailers to choose from. When I see a change in the self-rightous attitude of those who speak for AMDA I'll reconsider my decision.
Let the name calling begin...
Money Pit,
Actually Steve is a likeable guy. He has the courage of his convictions. I'll also be the first to tell you he has his flaws as well. I guess we all fall short of the glory of God. You got this AMDA members professing virtues we don't uphold thing all wrong IMO. Why don't you give us just a little more definiton of what led you to make such a statement. FYI it wasn't Steve that wanted to take on the etailing issues. All that came about as a result of a thread that lives in infamy in the back pages of the industry section. Hint: The thread starred some guys who hang out in funny farm coats. Thanks Spawner and I ain't saying no more about it. :wink:
Actually Steve is a likeable guy. He has the courage of his convictions. I'll also be the first to tell you he has his flaws as well. I guess we all fall short of the glory of God. You got this AMDA members professing virtues we don't uphold thing all wrong IMO. Why don't you give us just a little more definiton of what led you to make such a statement. FYI it wasn't Steve that wanted to take on the etailing issues. All that came about as a result of a thread that lives in infamy in the back pages of the industry section. Hint: The thread starred some guys who hang out in funny farm coats. Thanks Spawner and I ain't saying no more about it. :wink:
Um.. 
I wasn't saying that I necessarily find you abrasive, Steve, I was trying to say that you may be abrasive in the eyes of others. I have not met you personally.. yet.
Insert foot in mouth though, eh?
I really hope you didn't mind the Fossey comparison/analogy, she was the first person whose name most folks would recognize that came to mind.
I wasn't saying that I necessarily find you abrasive, Steve, I was trying to say that you may be abrasive in the eyes of others. I have not met you personally.. yet. Insert foot in mouth though, eh?
I really hope you didn't mind the Fossey comparison/analogy, she was the first person whose name most folks would recognize that came to mind.
Steve you're right. I know that my reference to LordNikon's infamous "retard sandwich" statement is by far the most offensive thing in the sump. And as I looked back at my posts I was surprised at all the times I've belittled people and have called them names when they fail to agree with me. Oh wait, those are your posts, never mind.
Btw I have no problem with Steve's convictions or at least the convictions he claims to have, it's his lack of ability to discuss those convictions without being rude. Contrary to what Steve seems to think I do not fish using cyanide, nor do I sell cyanide to fisherman, or cyanide caught fish. I have no vested interest in the cyanide cartel, I just disagree with the slop that spews from his mouth.
Dizzy,
I was honestly surprised that you, being an AMDA member chose to respond to my post in a rational, respectful manner (total opposite of Steve). I appreciate that. I believe there was a thread not to long ago where Steve jumped on his soap box. Take a look at it and it may help you understand the image that steve is projecting. His attitude and posts have really helped shape my opinion of AMDA.
Btw I have no problem with Steve's convictions or at least the convictions he claims to have, it's his lack of ability to discuss those convictions without being rude. Contrary to what Steve seems to think I do not fish using cyanide, nor do I sell cyanide to fisherman, or cyanide caught fish. I have no vested interest in the cyanide cartel, I just disagree with the slop that spews from his mouth.
Dizzy,
I was honestly surprised that you, being an AMDA member chose to respond to my post in a rational, respectful manner (total opposite of Steve). I appreciate that. I believe there was a thread not to long ago where Steve jumped on his soap box. Take a look at it and it may help you understand the image that steve is projecting. His attitude and posts have really helped shape my opinion of AMDA.
Money, you appear to be an intelligent, articulate person. I'm a little surprised, then, that you would allow one person to color your opinion of an entire group. I'm not saying that you should or shouldn't be pro AMDA, not at all. I just happen to believe that it should be the actions of the group as a whole that should be what's shaping your opinion, not any particular individual.
Just my two cents on that.
Just my two cents on that.
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Actually,
It was money pits ridicule and sarcasm right after Burtons letter that drew fire from me. Don't start none...won't be none.
I was simply defending the director.
Most board members are more 'tolerant' of such nasty posts ...but not me. Thats all.
Steve
It was money pits ridicule and sarcasm right after Burtons letter that drew fire from me. Don't start none...won't be none.
I was simply defending the director.
Most board members are more 'tolerant' of such nasty posts ...but not me. Thats all.
Steve
Jeez! Here I am reading what seems to me to be an articulate, well thought out article from one side of the fence and it rapidly degenerates into personal opinions about the poster, and the base concept of the post has gotten lost!
From my reading of the entire thread, I'm getting that Steve is simply stating a stance that AMDA is taking re:what's going on in the industry and what they as a group want do about it within their group.
I didn't see anything where they are trying to be 'holier than thou' or jumping at people who don't agree with them.
I *do* see responses to posts that seem to be more of a personal dislike rather than anything stated in the original posting.
So why all the anger?
Isn't the fact that somebody...ANYbody...is doing something to help better this industry a good thing? Maybe you don't agree with them on a whole, but shouldn't the simple fact of their DOING something other than whine seem a bit commendable? I think so.
From my reading of the entire thread, I'm getting that Steve is simply stating a stance that AMDA is taking re:what's going on in the industry and what they as a group want do about it within their group.
I didn't see anything where they are trying to be 'holier than thou' or jumping at people who don't agree with them.
I *do* see responses to posts that seem to be more of a personal dislike rather than anything stated in the original posting.
So why all the anger?
Isn't the fact that somebody...ANYbody...is doing something to help better this industry a good thing? Maybe you don't agree with them on a whole, but shouldn't the simple fact of their DOING something other than whine seem a bit commendable? I think so.
seamaiden,
The sarcasm of my original post was uncalled for and I apologize. I will admit that my first experience with Steve has left a bad taste in my mouth so when I read Burtons letter it reinforced the opinion I already had. I do believe that the letter was better left as an internal document.
I have to wonder how many other hobbists have similar opinions of AMDA based on their expieriences with Steve.
The sarcasm of my original post was uncalled for and I apologize. I will admit that my first experience with Steve has left a bad taste in my mouth so when I read Burtons letter it reinforced the opinion I already had. I do believe that the letter was better left as an internal document.
It surprises me that you have no tolerance of sarcastic nasty posts considering you resort to them so quickly and so often. I suggest you read through your posts, not just the responses to me but to others in this thread (not to mention other AMDA threads) and you will notice how often you attack others for no reason. I understand you have strong convictions but you do not do yourself, or your agenda, any favors with your rhetoric.
I have to wonder how many other hobbists have similar opinions of AMDA based on their expieriences with Steve.
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Well then,
IF THE OFFER STILL STANDS THATS TWO BEERS @ MACNA.
Steve
IF THE OFFER STILL STANDS THATS TWO BEERS @ MACNA.
Steve
SM, I don't think Steve is abrasive, I look at it as more like "Waxing Poetic".
Steve, I'd buy you three beers and take advantage of ya.
Maybe our "hobby" should look at this problem more like the neighborhood grocery store. If everyone bought their groceries on line, local stores would go out of business, then where would you go to get ice cream at 10pm? A simpistic point of view, I know. But it fits.
Steve, I'd buy you three beers and take advantage of ya.
Maybe our "hobby" should look at this problem more like the neighborhood grocery store. If everyone bought their groceries on line, local stores would go out of business, then where would you go to get ice cream at 10pm? A simpistic point of view, I know. But it fits.
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Sweetheart...er, Sally,
Your point was well made actually.
The easy stuff is what the e-tail trade specializes in like live rock, scavengers and low metabolism animals. That used to be the domain of B&M but now they have it even harder.
Taking away the stuff that required less talent is what galls the real dealers who now face an ever increasing list of 'lost leaders' and profit-less sales and a harder time of it.
Denying them an easy sale makes it that much harder for them to 'be there for you' when you need a quick fix, live food, frozen food, disease control advice, etc, etc.
Not to mention getting away from the computer screen, becoming more social, seeing some girls.[ or boys]
Steve
Your point was well made actually.
The easy stuff is what the e-tail trade specializes in like live rock, scavengers and low metabolism animals. That used to be the domain of B&M but now they have it even harder.
Taking away the stuff that required less talent is what galls the real dealers who now face an ever increasing list of 'lost leaders' and profit-less sales and a harder time of it.
Denying them an easy sale makes it that much harder for them to 'be there for you' when you need a quick fix, live food, frozen food, disease control advice, etc, etc.
Not to mention getting away from the computer screen, becoming more social, seeing some girls.[ or boys]
Steve
Steve,
I guess we'll just have to agree that we disagree. By doing business on line you are not only supporting the etailers and their employes but ecommerce in general sends a lot of money to shipping companies, many of which are good paying union jobs (not that I'm a fan of unions).
Unfortunately for my bank account I do a lot of business with my LFS and like I said earlier thier prices on fish are always less expensive then online. I think that there is room enough for both e/retailers.
I guess we'll just have to agree that we disagree. By doing business on line you are not only supporting the etailers and their employes but ecommerce in general sends a lot of money to shipping companies, many of which are good paying union jobs (not that I'm a fan of unions).
Unfortunately for my bank account I do a lot of business with my LFS and like I said earlier thier prices on fish are always less expensive then online. I think that there is room enough for both e/retailers.
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