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Playdope

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This question is addressed to those that have tried both running tanks without quarantining their fish, and running tanks in which they have quarantined.

Is this proccess really worth it. It just seems so hard to keep a fish like a tang happy in something like a 20 gal tank.. in which the water chem. would most likely fluctuate more, there would be little/no natural hiding places, and there would be nowhere near the ammount of swimming space that this animal deserves.

Yeh, yeh, yeh.. I know, I'm trying to get out of the additional chore, but it seems like an arguable issue.

Jon
 

Big R

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I had a pretty elaborate QT set-up when I started my 180g. It was a 55g w/ a 33g sump; skimmer, HO lighting, the works. I've since taken it down and now introduce new fish directly into the 180g. I've had much better luck doing it this way and have not had any disease problems.

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It's not arguable in my mind. But, I've spoken so often about it that if you're not willing to do the research I don't see the point. But, ask yourself one question: if it's so "arguable", why would public aquariums never add an animal that hadn't been q/t'd for a minimum of 30 days disease free to any display? (Hint: it's because they're not in the business of throwing away money.)
 

Playdope

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I could be wrong, but it seems unlikely that a public aquarium would do it for all small fish. If they did... do you really think they use little dinky quarantine tanks like the ones we use for each fish?

Jon
 
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They do it for everything that's going into any display, this includes all invertebrates. My own experience is only with one P.A., and the q/t system for the coral lab consisted of the following:

Three 3,000 gallon circular tubs
Four 100 gallon acrylic tanks (gifts)
Two 180 gallon acrylic tanks
One shop display-type system with the cubes on top of one large (about 80 gallons) tank
Three banks of 10-20 gallon tanks (used mostly by the girl who breeds the sea dragons, but also for the smaller fish) - can't remember how many tanks in each bank, but three rows of four or five tanks, with the 20gals on top. The shelving that comprised the banks is warehouse, metal shelving, adjustable IIRC.

Who gets placed where is determined by a few factors, for instance, frogfish and other animals that CANNOT tolerate copper get placed into the system that is clearly marked "Never Copper!" Small, tasty fish need to go into the smaller cubes, or, if those are full, we reserve one or two of the larger tanks for those fish. LBAOP gets some seriously LARGE fish in to go into q/t, this is what the large tubs are for. Outside in the rear are three or four 10K tubs (swimming pool size, usually sharks and other pelagics go in there). That's completely separate from the coral lab q/t area, though.

Each system has its own filtration, all consisting of wet/dry towers (yep! Good ol' wet/dry) and very large protein skimmers. When a particular system is getting medicated (most commonly copper) they're turned off.

Water changes are the means by which most everything is controlled during regular quarantine, but as you may have guessed this system is also used for hospital and brood rearing quarters. LBAOP pulls water from offshore, pumps it on-site, and filters. It is then either heated or cooled according to which display area it's feeding. So, you pretty much have fresh, clean saltwater on tap (though protocol insists we let the pipes flush for one minute before using with specimens).

Standard quarantine protocol is 30 days (and this is the really important part a lot of people miss) disease free. That means that if an animal gets halfway through q/t and comes down with ich (most common), it gets treated, and once shows itself to be disease-free, that counter starts all over again.

If you have space or financial issues, just remember that what is used for quarantine only needs to be chemically inert and watertight. Thusly, Rubbermaid. :) (or even kiddie pools!)
 

jandree22

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It boils down to how risky you are by nature. Many take their chances and add it straight in the tank and deal with diseases after they infest the tank. Many have done this for years without having any problems. However, this can be viewed as an avoidable risk and a possible waste of money.

However, people that quarentine are taking this risk factor out and ensuring nothing's going into their tank that shouldn't be there. However this can be viewed as being overly worrisome and too much trouble, as well as causing the fish added unneeded stress.

There really is no right or wrong answer here, just a measure of the risks you're willing to take. Quarentining is obviously the more responsible action to take, however, it must be done correctly to minimize fish stress. If you don't quarentine, just make sure you pick out the healthiest looking specimin as possible.


Personally, I was in the same situation as you with a tang in QT about a week ago...my first QT experience. I gave up and added him to the display. There's no need for all that stress IMO....how ironic would it be for a fish to develop a disease because of the stress of QT?! :roll:
 
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No right or wrong answer? I couldn't disagree with you more here. You've not seen the stress the fish undergo during collection, holding, shipping, and holding, have you? Quarantine is only as stressful as you let it be. Don't be fooled.
 

jandree22

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I thought I established clearly that there's a measure of risk taking involved, but I guess not? All I meant by "right or wrong," is how can you call the fact that many have placed fish straight in their tanks, some for years, with no negative impact 'wrong'? You might be able to call them 'lucky', but I could equally say that someone would be 'UNlucky' to get a tank destroyed by one sick fish.

All I was trying to say is that many people have had great success with both methods.
 

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Just for my own experience, was it that hard on a tang in QT? I would like to get one for my 90 eventually and have committed myself to the QT way of life. With my past luck I would not dare introduce a tang to my tank without QT.
 
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I have never used a QT, and I've been fortunate up to this point. Using a QT is a good, sound practice...but I do understand Playdope's point about placing a tang in a 20 gallon...that doesn't necessarily make sense, at least to me.
 

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