Gonapora dying?

[psuedo74]

Hi reefers

I bought what looked to be a lovely gonapora over the weekend(friday) and here it is monday and its only 50% out, the rest of just looks white and cavernous...

All of my other corals look great,is this just consistant with the species? Dont know much about them

Thanks

 

[Mihai]

It will die. Like 99% of all goniopora. Read before you buy.
M.

 

[ricky1414]

It will die. Like 99% of all goniopora. Read before you buy.
M.

What if he had a tank before he knew of this website. There is no need to be so short, and for that matter, rather rude. (Lord knows you have never erred in regards to your tank) I have a goniopora that has been thriving for over 13 months and going strong. I bought him before i ever knew of RDO, but I'm doing the best that I possibly can with him. That does not mean that they are someting people should keep, and I am not sounding off how mine is different from the other 99% of those out there. And your comment does nothing to help the original poster(psuedo74). Not all goniopora, or according to you "99%" of them pass within the first week of introduction into a reef tank.
Psuedo74- he may be be going through an adjustment period in your tank. Give him a little while before you sign off on him. What are your tank's water parameters? Lighting? Filtration?

Mihai- its all about semantics...

 

[psuedo74]

thanks Rick

You live and learn I guess, this is a new hobby for me, am I to be expected to know and research every little thing? Not likely given me hectic schedule, so I agree the rudeness of some is just...well, annoying.

As for my water conditions in my 120 everything is looking real good except for Calcium which is high-

I have about 175 of live rock and a 30 gal sump with an aquaclear ev-180 for a protein skimmer run by a mag 9.5-

My lfs is really cool and offer a guarentee so i guess its off to replace it today,

Thanks for your concern/help

 

[Mouse]

As you seem intent on replacing, id invest in some DT's, or marine snow to feed it.

 

[Mouse]

Oh, and turn the skimmer off when you do

 

[SpicyBalls]

this is a hypothesis so far by julian sprung, but the addition of iron and manganese may be a key ingredient to the survival goniapora, he's now trying this hypothesis on the harder goniopora stokesi
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[ricky1414]

where would one secure manganese?

 

[SpicyBalls]

kent sells a bottle of iron and manganese... all in one bottle.. i just picked one up myself.. don't have any goniopora or alveopora. but may try one one day
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[krullulon]

thanks Rick

You live and learn I guess, this is a new hobby for me, am I to be expected to know and research every little thing? Not likely given me hectic schedule, so I agree the rudeness of some is just...well, annoying.

agreed that there's no need for rudeness, but there's also no reason to ever buy any critters for your tank before you've adequately researched them. as for being busy -- something we all deal with... but you wouldn't use that excuse if you took up flying planes and suddenly found yourself 10,000 feet off the ground and realized that you had been too busy to learn how to land the plane before taking off, right? same thing with your tank and the critters you're putting in it. :wink:

 

[psuedo74]

true, but thats a little stretch of an analogy

we are not talking My life or death here

 

[SpicyBalls]

here's an article by theee julian sprung...

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/ ... invert.htm
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[krullulon]

true, but thats a little stretch of an analogy

we are not talking My life or death here

nope, but you're talking the life and death of the creatures that you buy. this life may be disposable to you, but is that the kind of person you really want to be? would you willingly set out to torture something like a hamster, a cat or a dog by purchasing it in a pet store and putting it in a room filled with gas that would eventually kill it after a few weeks or months simply because you were too "busy" to take the time to learn what you needed to do to keep them alive?

i'm not trying to be argumentative, but this hobby isn't low-impact and does have life and death consequences that many people seem to blow-off. if you have a hectic schedule that prevents you from doing an hour of research before you buy a new kind of critter or make other changes to your system, i'd argue that you don't have time to be a responsible aquarist.

 

[psuedo74]

dude

come on

get over it your now becoming totally embarrasing

ive never hurt a living thing in my life

 

[Anonymous]

Well, I know if I am looking through a post, I can At least trust SpicyBalls to kick with the advice rather than a penlashing.

 

[krullulon]

really -- i don't want to argue, so i won't keep trying to send back retorts.

skim through some of the threads on the forum, and you'll see that things are broken down into two camps: there are people who are serious about the living organisms they care for, and people who want a pretty picture.

the people who are serious realize that these corals, fish, snails and other creatures are living animals, even if they don't look cute and fuzzy -- and as such, they deserve your attention and forethought. those who want a pretty picture in their living rooms consider them to be plants and heck, if they die? c'est la vie.

as for becoming embarassing, you'll find many people on this forum share my point of view about having a responsibility to each living thing you acquire from your LFS. i take that responsibility seriously, as i take this hobby seriously, and i make sure that i have adequate time in my schedule to do what it takes to provide a healthy environment for these animals -- and at the top of that list is ensuring adequate time to research each critter before purchasing it so i can make a meaningful call on my ability to care for it appropriately.

if you're more of the "these are glorified plants and i just want a pretty picture in my living room" that's fine, but it's also good to be exposed to other points of view about the hobby.

 

[Anonymous]

Pseudo74,
You have to realize something. You are not the first person to post such a story. Some of us have been here quite a long time. After we hear dozens upon dozens of these stories, some of us get a bit "short" depending on our personalities, and our mood on a given day. :wink: How many times can we post that a parrot fish shouldn't be purchased, or that ich doesn't always live in your system, or that a gonipora or dendronepthia just will not live? You're not really seeing the result of your question, but the result of the 30 people that asked it before you without researching. We want to help, on the other hand we're exasperated in some ways too. It's not your fault, it's just the nature of a board like this. I've been guilty of it, and will be in the future I'm sure. However I do my best NOT to be this way, it still sneaks out here and there though.
On the other hand, there really is little excuse for not researching an critter before you purchase it. Lesson learned I'm sure.
For what it's worth, the red varieties are much hardier, and this is without the addtives mentioned too. I know several people who have colonies over two years old. Having said that, I'd nevertheless still stear clear of them for now.
Get a euphylia instead. They are attractive and hardy.

Jim

 

[krullulon]

Pseudo74,
You have to realize something. You are not the first person to post such a story. Some of us have been here quite a long time. After we hear dozens upon dozens of these stories, some of us get a bit "short" depending on our personalities, and our mood on a given day. :wink: How many times can we post that a parrot fish shouldn't be purchased, or that ich doesn't always live in your system, or that a gonipora or dendronepthia just will not live? You're not really seeing the result of your question, but the result of the 30 people that asked it before you without researching. We want to help, on the other hand we're exasperated in some ways too.

i think there should be a newbie FAQ for "if you make any of the following statments or ask the following questions, be prepared for bitchy responses" that covers things like:

"i just bought this really cool critter and don't have any clue what it is or what i should do with it. can you help?"
"i just bought a tang for my 15g. is there anything i should know about it?"
"i just bought a mandarin to put in my new aquarium. what does it eat?"
"i bought a couple of these really cool anemones -- one is pure white and very pretty, i think it's called a seabae and one is called i think a carpet anemone. is there anything special i need to do with these?"

just off the top of my head. :lol:

they're all really variations on a single theme -- the "i bought something before i knew what it was because it looked cool" theme. i think the only thing that really causes negativity is when people don't do due-dilligence before taking a critter home.

 

[SpicyBalls]

Tough neigborhood.. hehe

Well, I know if I am looking through a post, I can At least trust SpicyBalls to kick with the advice rather than a penlashing.

Thanks, I try... I'm a newbie still.. but just trying to help where I can...
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[Ben1]

but this hobby isn't low-impact and does have life and death consequences that many people seem to blow-off. if you have a hectic schedule that prevents you from doing an hour of research before you buy a new kind of critter or make other changes to your system, i'd argue that you don't have time to be a responsible aquarist.

Well said.

One more thing to make your time here productive and move your questions through faster is to include actual info about your tank in the initial question. For instance, Nitrate, Nitrite, P04, lighting, top off water used, additives used.

You mentioned that your CA was a little high, what's that 500 ppm?

Does this mean your Alk level is in check or is that out of balance b/c the CA is too high? These levels play a critical role on the health of all SPS, and LPS. What kind of circulations do you have in the tank? What position have you had the coral in?

Giving us more specifics on your tank will help. Make sure you are using high quality test kits also, Salifert, LaMotte, adn Hach are all great kits with Salifert being my favorite.