Fish Only Tank!

[Anonymous]

Sorry about spelling, not my strong point.

My experience must be different from eric and others.

 

[ChrisRD]

My experience must be different from eric and others.

I agree with Matt, your opinion is in the minority as many have reported problems with Caulerpa going sexual and mucking up their systems. It may not have happened yet, but that doesn't mean it can't or it won't. IMO there are other, much better choices if you want macros in your system.

 

[Anonymous]

My experience must be different from eric and others.

I agree with Matt, your opinion is in the minority as many have reported problems with Caulerpa going sexual and mucking up their systems. It may not have happened yet, but that doesn't mean it can't or it won't. IMO there are other, much better choices if you want macros in your system.

Once again just to be sure well all understand. For new tanks and newbies i recommend chaeto and caulerpa profilera. The profilera is the the caulerpa I recommend.

Even I have reported other caulerpas having problems.

 

[ChrisRD]

Once again just to be sure well all understand. For new tanks and newbies i recommend chaeto and caulerpa profilera. The profilera is the the caulerpa I recommend.

...and once again Bob, it's Caulerpa prolifera, NOT profilera and it's one of the common varieties people often use in a fuge. Check the site you linked to for the correct spelling - it's right there...

C. prolifera is also one that MANY people have reported the sexual/crash problems with. I've had some in a fuge and seen the problem myself.

 

[Anonymous]

gee I spell it right some time

caulerpa prolifera there that better.

thanks foru you input. It just doesn't agree with my experience. But then I run my tanks diffeerent from you so that could explain the different experiences.

In my experience the lack of plant life has caused more problems then even the one sexual like experience I had. And that was not with prolifera. But that's just me.

 

[HClH2OFish]

But that's just me.

Exactly the point most of us are trying to make to you. Your experiences are, to say the least, unique.

Which is why your posts advocating this kind of setup to newbies have met with such criticism.

 

[ChrisRD]

But then I run my tanks diffeerent from you so that could explain the different experiences.

True, but then again Bob, it's obvious from the responses you get on these boards that you run your tanks differently from pretty much everyone else. Maybe everyone else is just confused and you're right... ...sorta seems like crazy odds, though, huh?

In my experience the lack of plant life has caused more problems then even the one sexual like experience I had. And that was not with prolifera. But that's just me.

What experience? Do you have any experience running a reef tank in any other manner? If this is your first reef tank, what other method are you comparing to that was inferior?

 

[Anonymous]

But then I run my tanks diffeerent from you so that could explain the different experiences.

True, but then again Bob, it's obvious from the responses you get on these boards that you run your tanks differently from pretty much everyone else. Maybe everyone else is just confused and you're right... ...sorta seems like crazy odds, though, huh?

and if 1000 people told me to jump off a bridge i wouldn't.

In my experience the lack of plant life has caused more problems then even the one sexual like experience I had. And that was not with prolifera. But that's just me.

What experience? Do you have any experience running a reef tank in any other manner? If this is your first reef tank, what other method are you comparing to that was inferior?

25 years setting up and running Fw ,10 salt fo and 2 years salt fo to the now reef tank. Numersous threads here and on other message boards. I found and have confirmed by numerous posts and feedbacks that if you start a tank without added plant life, get the algae bloom, then add cleaner crews and effectively remove that plant life, the result is high nitrates high carbon dioxide, low ph, and fish that die. Whereas the suspected sexual event i had did result in ammonia, nitrItes, nitrates, and cloudy ickey water. But nothing died in the tank. Oh there was other plant life in there to take up the slack.


So I'll just continue runing all my tanks in this manner.

I know the newbies can figure out what is going on.

 

[Anonymous]

if you start a tank without added plant life, get the algae bloom, then add cleaner crews and effectively remove that plant life, the result is high nitrates high carbon dioxide, low ph, and fish that die

Nope, but hey, thanks for playing!

Jim

 

[ChrisRD]

This is why discussions with you are endless Bob... ...just answer the question directly.

Do you have any experience running a reef tank in any other manner?

25 years setting up and running Fw ,10 salt fo and 2 years salt fo to the now reef tank. Numersous threads here and on other message boards...

So the answer is none. You have no experience running a reef tank with any other method. This explains why you don't understand how the other methods work.

I found and have confirmed by numerous posts and feedbacks that if you start a tank without added plant life, get the algae bloom, then add cleaner crews and effectively remove that plant life, the result is high nitrates high carbon dioxide, low ph, and fish that die.

This is the kind of ridiculous statement that people here have a problem with Bob. Perhaps you've missed the countless reef tanks out there that have been setup and successfully run without "plant life" (for decades in some cases)?

Whereas the suspected sexual event i had did result in ammonia, nitrItes, nitrates, and cloudy ickey water. But nothing died in the tank. Oh there was other plant life in there to take up the slack.

So you're admitting that your macros have crashed causing high levels of noxious compounds in your system water, but you still recommend this method to a newcomer over a protein skimmer because you didn't actually kill anything that time around?

 

[Anonymous]

Chris:

What I am recommending is a system that causes excellent water. And that is any toxic things are there, they do know crash the system. I am sorry that is so hard to understand.

 

[ChrisRD]

No, what you do is preach misconceptions and bad advice as fact. There's nothing hard to undstand about that for folks who have been around the hobby for a while...

 

[wayne in norway]

Basically Bob you're not running a reef you're running some kind of back lagoon enviroment. That's fine.

if you start a tank without added plant life, get the algae bloom, then add cleaner crews and effectively remove that plant life, the result is high nitrates high carbon dioxide, low ph, and fish that die. ALso if I think about it I feel the above is a bit stupid as I don't have caulerpa in my tank, but I do have lots of other algaes as do most reef tanks. It's just not the algae you focus on.

Didn't happen for me, doesn't happen for many others. A live rock based system is easy comapred to most other setups. Maybe you should try a very simple setup like this to see how it goes.

Personally I have grown caulerpa in and out of refugiums. I'm not really against it, but I have some problems with it. It does go sexual and crash, and that's often fatal. Also it can go rampant, and not everyone wants a tankful of caulerpa. I actually don't think it's that obvious to newbies how to prune the stuff without causing a cataclysmic collapse, and it's assoc problems. Certainly the first couple of times I did I damn near killed it, and who wants to kill their main filter mechanism in the name of maintenance.
I have no problems with what you get up to in 'the privacy of your own home', and what you do is of interest but I don't think your setup is especially fantastic or easy for a beginner.