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Podman":329v03yl said:
Yeah, it does.
On the other hand, you have to have a license to keep falcons and other raptors, and for good reason. Some other organisms need similar consideration I believe.
Yeah, it does.
On the other hand, you have to have a license to keep falcons and other raptors, and for good reason. Some other organisms need similar consideration I believe.
i feel a need to state my opinion here although i am fairly certain it won't be the popular one. i also must admit that my knowledge in this area is very little.
so, my point is this, every species i can think of in the ornamental aquatics trade is "one of those creatures best left in the sea".
it seems to me that the bonehead that wishes to own a deadly animal simply for the fact that it is deadly would seem at least educated enough to be aware that the animal he is purchasing is deadly.
this ownership seems as much of a god given right as owning any firearm, doesn't it? think of the millions of plants and products availible to us that are flat out deadly to ourselves and to others yet are perfectly legal to obtain.
i really dislike the "think of the children" aspect of these types of controversies. it always seems really over the top to me.
somehow using this as a debate tactic triggers a hysteria in people that trumps reason. please keep in mind i am not accusing anyone here of using tactics to trump reason :wink: i believe the chidren aspect in this conversation was a genuine fear that someone held (phew!.. disclaimers!!)
now, as for the truly ignorant potential BRO owners? how many do you think will exist?
and if i were to purchase one from a LFS tomorrow do you think they would sell it to me without precaution?
i learned in my first reef book about these animals and that is within the first 40 pages of that book.
also i learned of the difficulty in keeping a captive octopus "captive".
at some point the aquarist has got to be held reponsible for his own actions...
REGARDLESS OF THE RISING INSURANCE PREMIUMS!!!!
(what was that all about anyway :? )
damned accident prone aquarists.... causing my rates to skyrocket.... there ought to be a law i tell ya..
so, my point is this, every species i can think of in the ornamental aquatics trade is "one of those creatures best left in the sea".
it seems to me that the bonehead that wishes to own a deadly animal simply for the fact that it is deadly would seem at least educated enough to be aware that the animal he is purchasing is deadly.
this ownership seems as much of a god given right as owning any firearm, doesn't it? think of the millions of plants and products availible to us that are flat out deadly to ourselves and to others yet are perfectly legal to obtain.
i really dislike the "think of the children" aspect of these types of controversies. it always seems really over the top to me.
somehow using this as a debate tactic triggers a hysteria in people that trumps reason. please keep in mind i am not accusing anyone here of using tactics to trump reason :wink: i believe the chidren aspect in this conversation was a genuine fear that someone held (phew!.. disclaimers!!)
now, as for the truly ignorant potential BRO owners? how many do you think will exist?
and if i were to purchase one from a LFS tomorrow do you think they would sell it to me without precaution?
i learned in my first reef book about these animals and that is within the first 40 pages of that book.
also i learned of the difficulty in keeping a captive octopus "captive".
at some point the aquarist has got to be held reponsible for his own actions...
REGARDLESS OF THE RISING INSURANCE PREMIUMS!!!!
(what was that all about anyway :? )
damned accident prone aquarists.... causing my rates to skyrocket.... there ought to be a law i tell ya..
John_Brandt":dj3et19u said:
You know what? That is a very good point that I failed to see. WOULD it raise your insurance more if an accident resulted in the death of another party than if that same wreck caused minor injuries provided that in both scenarios you were not at fault? If so, then both helmet and seatbelt laws are very necessary and changes my view on both.
here is an interesting article about the keeping of venomous reptiles, which is along the same lines as this topic.
http://www.venomousreptiles.org/articles/100
http://www.venomousreptiles.org/articles/100
Tackett":2pn9m7br said:
If the accident resulted in death ir serious injury it would raise your rate more than a non injury fender bender. Of course the insurance company is not going to absorb the costs of a major injury accident, it's going to push those medical expenses and litigation costs right back onto the average consumer. We all pay for the accident in the form of higher insurance rates.
That's always been my argument for helmet and seatbelt laws. I don't mind someone not wearing a helmet or seatbelt. I mind paying for the enormous hospital bill and lawyer's fees when that person who chooses not to wear a helmet/seatbelt gets into an accident.
All good points by John and Tracy, but just to play devil's advocate for Tackett--
No one's dying from keeping BROs captive. I don't think I've ever heard of a single aquarist death from one. I'm willing to bet there have been more hospital bills from lionfish stings than from BRO bites.
No one's dying from keeping BROs captive. I don't think I've ever heard of a single aquarist death from one. I'm willing to bet there have been more hospital bills from lionfish stings than from BRO bites.
Righty":rbqkedqp said:JimM":rbqkedqp said:Yeah, this whole conversation would hold much more weight if we were discussing Eyelash vipers or something.
Nah! Eyelashes are gonna bite you. A better analogy would be a more poisonous Gila Monster.
Yah...but do we go with the number of chewed victims or REALLY chewed victims???
Thats why I said more poisonous!HClH2OFish":3hififm6 said:Righty":3hififm6 said:JimM":3hififm6 said:Yeah, this whole conversation would hold much more weight if we were discussing Eyelash vipers or something.
Nah! Eyelashes are gonna bite you. A better analogy would be a more poisonous Gila Monster.
Yah...but do we go with the number of chewed victims or REALLY chewed victims???
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