My 150 ish here..tag along

[LA-Lawman]

cool, making good progress

 

[cjsrch]

http://www.aquaticengineers.com/ecowheel%20unit.htm

from reading Dynamic Aquaria.. I dont feel the wheel design is exactly the best but go for it..

Adely discribes a 50% growth loss from the lack of wave formation in the tray design that tells me that a wheel design is at a distint disadvantage..

Ive looked into ATS filtration.. I would like a big skimmer on the system to fight the possible negitive effects of using miro algae as a filter..
I understand that the system doesnt run as eutrophic as macro.. with the enormus amount of light used microalgae still consume nutrients and the system runs pretty clean..
Im planning on doing a try design but it will be in no way nessisary in my system design.. At first it will just kick start the system. (they take about 2 weeks to seed themselves) after the LR cures and I have a suffecent skimmer, I dont think the ATS will be all that nessisary just a good way to get O2 up after a while.. LOL
besides.. DIY is fun..

several things 1 id prefer a surge style ats but dont have the room
2 diy is fun and
3 looks like im stuck with my 150 acrilic whos panels are 1/2 inch think ( heck my 3 gallon acrilic is 1/4 inch)

i guess i jus tneed to accept that my tank has a larger then normal propability of breaking. get over it and say that everything in the tank is replaceable ( yeah... i know kinda sick thinking everything is replacable but unless i force my self into thinking like that the tank will remain empty forever)
also i think my fish have a better chance in a tank that leaks then my friends tank lmao hes holding them for me right now


me after hurricane " hows the fish" him " alot died and i have no power" me "want my genorater" him " naw i think its ok"

 

[magicman76]

several things 1 id prefer a surge style ats but dont have the room

surge style ATS's can be any size within reason, if its surfase area is a little small you can just increase the amount of light over it.. (a two square foot surge ATS with a 400 watt Iwasaki 6500K MH with a PFO HQI electronic ballast should do for a 150 gallon system )

2 diy is fun...

3 looks like im stuck with my 150 acrilic whos panels are 1/2 inch think ( heck my 3 gallon acrilic is 1/4 inch)

1/2 inch acrylic is not too shabby.. so long as the tank isnt too tall you should be fine.. If your tank isnt taller then 30 inches you are within normal specs.

i guess i jus tneed to accept that my tank has a larger then normal propability of breaking. get over it and say that everything in the tank is replaceable ( yeah... i know kinda sick thinking everything is replacable but unless i force my self into thinking like that the tank will remain empty forever)
also i think my fish have a better chance in a tank that leaks then my friends tank lmao hes holding them for me right now


me after hurricane " hows the fish" him " alot died and i have no power" me "want my genorater" him " naw i think its ok"

test your tank.. set it up and fill it.. a garage helps with this.. If it holds water for a month.. I would assume that its a go..

I would be hooking up the generator to the tank that had my critters in it even if he thinks it will be "ok" that sounds just a little more then silly to me.. :roll:

 

[cjsrch]

powers back so its ok now.. ( nemos all thats left ( )

also tank holds water... its jsut really flimsy. and bows out at the center by over 1/2 inch or osmthing like that.. actualy its bubled not bowed. top is straight bottom straight sides strating. but the center sticks out. get what im saying?


still just dunt trust it lmao


www.directphish.com/mytank.html look at the room i have behind my tank




gah i gotta replace my dosingpumps saoprin pipe because i used it to pump gas durring huricane ( couldent start it otherwise)

 

[magicman76]

sounds like you need to install a center brace.. possibly better front, back and side bracing..
how wide and thick is your bracing.. and were.. sides, back, front and center?
you would need to relive the preasure before doing so (ie. draining the tank)
do you have a pic, or could you take a pic, of the bracing of the tank you could post?
btw. your server is either very slow on the upload or its having trouble right now.. just a little fyi

btw. the possible configurations of a tray/surge style ATS are pretty much endless.. the concept is very scailable.. I dont think there is a "too big" problem there.. just a lack of understanding in the filtration type from what Ive read.. :wink:
in other words.. the size and lighting type I sugested above is just one possible configuration.
the problem with the wheel design is that you need to increase the lighting intencity to get the same results.. you can shrink the size of the tray/surge by the same means and keep the effecency..

 

[magicman76]

I hope you also bubble the water water through aragonite sand or oyster shells, kingda like a fluidized bed filter. that should even help buffer calcium.

Are you aware of how low the PH would have to be before aragonite sand and oyster shells would start to disolve and relise anything?
Im not trying to start an argument.. they just dont disolve once the PH is up over 8 or so..

 

[magicman76]

( nemos all thats left ( )

sorry to hear about that..

 

[magicman76]

I just noticed something.. all this ATS talk and no definition.. ugh thats got to be confusing.. ok.. here it goes..
ATS=Algal Turf Scrubber.. using micro algae for filtration in its own optimized enviroment (the actual scrubber)

 

[cjsrch]

"
Are you aware of how low the PH would have to be before aragonite sand and oyster shells would start to disolve and relise anything?
Im not trying to start an argument.. they just dont disolve once the PH is up over 8 or so.."

what i ment when i responded to that guy is that i made a ca reactor ^^ of couse water going up throu CC isnt gonna disolve well not fast enough to be worth talking about


and about my server. im gonna look into it cause it is working fine for me


and about the ATS thereason i have to go with a wheel is that i discovered that i can not have any surging in my tank with out screwing everything up. ill draw out how all my stuff is connected latertoday

 

[Anonymous]

I hope you also bubble the water water through aragonite sand or oyster shells, kingda like a fluidized bed filter. that should even help buffer calcium.

Are you aware of how low the PH would have to be before aragonite sand and oyster shells would start to disolve and relise anything?
Im not trying to start an argument.. they just dont disolve once the PH is up over 8 or so..

He is not aware of it and refuses to be made aware of it.

 

[magicman76]

"what i ment when i responded to that guy is that i made a ca reactor ^^ of couse water going up throu CC isnt gonna disolve well not fast enough to be worth talking about

I assumed you may be on to something a little more effective with the way you stated your reply..

and about my server. im gonna look into it cause it is working fine for me

no biggy.. these things happen on occasion..

and about the ATS thereason i have to go with a wheel is that i discovered that i can not have any surging in my tank with out screwing everything up. ill draw out how all my stuff is connected latertoday

I dont know who informed you that the surge was in the tank proper but its not.. the serge is only in the seperate filtration divise.. Dynamic Aquaria goes into sergeing the tank in the book but it has nothing to do with the algal scrubber, he goes into alot of things that have nothing to do with a home aquaria like the average temperature of the universe for example LOL..

He is not aware of it and refuses to be made aware of it.

Ahh.. I see.. keeping tabs on that kind of advice might get tough after a while.. :?

 

[Rob Top]

A LFS had a eco-wheel installed on a prop system some 3 or 4 years ago. This is a very large store with lots and lots of cash to waste I mean invest. This store owner shows you the most expensive stuff and trys to convence you that you need it. I was convinced, but wanted to wait and see if I could find it cheaper. I waited so long I forgot why I needed it. With in a year, year and a half his prop system crashed, he blamed it on the eco-wheel and that was that. Glad I waited.

 

[magicman76]

....With in a year, year and a half his prop system crashed, he blamed it on the eco-wheel and that was that. Glad I waited.

That's like blaming a system crash on the refugium that's installed.. If you lean to heavily on any filtration type you are asking for trouble IMHO.

 

[cjsrch]

" dont know who informed you that the surge was in the tank proper but its not.. the serge is only in the seperate filtration divise.. Dynamic Aquaria goes into sergeing the tank in the book but it has nothing to do with the algal scrubber, he goes into alot of things that have nothing to do with a home aquaria like the average temperature of the universe for example LOL..
"


you cant have water from no where.
in order for you to have surge some where in the tankw ill have to go up and down as well. be it the sump or the display or the fuge. in my setup it wont work i have a electronic autotopoff and BARALY enough .. what do you call it.. extra room int he sump for water incase power fails and the tank drains down a lil,



"magicman76 wrote:
beaslbob wrote:
I hope you also bubble the water water through aragonite sand or oyster shells, kingda like a fluidized bed filter. that should even help buffer calcium.


Are you aware of how low the PH would have to be before aragonite sand and oyster shells would start to disolve and relise anything?
Im not trying to start an argument.. they just dont disolve once the PH is up over 8 or so..


He is not aware of it and refuses to be made aware of it." pitpat a lil nasty now arnt we. just cause i used to be like that dosnt mean you should act liek that now ^^ if you wanted to be nasty you shoulda done it while i was doing it

 

[magicman76]

I was just thinking a baffle in the sump would take care of the problem but it sounds like your sump might not be big enough. The ATS would be a seperate box like a fuge but your right its output will cause a serge somewhere in the sump..

 

[cjsrch]

any ways i think it time i draw a few diagrams what do you think... this may be hard on a laptop but lets give it a try


also what do people who have an sps tank with a kalk and CA reactor usualy add to tank. cause ills till need trace elements added and some other things as CA reactor takes care of CA buffer and iodine and stronium. and not much else
should i still use 2 part (tech cb) but at like 1/4 the does so i get trace and all from it or should i dose trace seperate. not many people with CA reactors go into detail about what they dose to info would be great i dont plan on doing more then 5 gallon waterchange a week and mabey a 20 change evey few months

 

[magicman76]

I would run a really good skimmer to have SPS in the tank with a ATS system (I know that it might be silly but there have been reports of problems with SPS's and ATS just no good information out there about an ATS system thats well skimmed..) HTH
And diagrams would be cool!
good luck cjsrch

 

[cjsrch]

http://directphish.com/mytank.html
it works.
tested it on 2 comps to make sure that it wasnt just saved to my harddrive.


i added a new pict.
i am redesining my site right now so i wont update the currentpages till done

 

[magicman76]

oh.. yea.. I got your link to work earlier I forgot to post back that it was working.. sorry about that.. :?
good luck with the diagrams..
I think most SPS keepers just do some water small water changes every now and again to keep up with the mico nutients you were speaking of (at least thats what they all seem to say when I've seen them asked about it)

 

[cjsrch]

im in MD right now. and love it here...
i think im gonna undo all my stuff i did to the tank so far .. pack up and move here(screw florida )